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Flopped a Jack-high flush in the BB, what's the right course of action? Flopped a Jack-high flush in the BB, what's the right course of action?

03-29-2017 , 05:25 AM
PokerStars - $0.02 Ante $0.01 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 255 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
BTN: 261.5 BB (VPIP: 11.73, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 2.47, Hands: 196)
SB: 229 BB (VPIP: 35.90, PFR: 8.55, 3Bet Preflop: 1.85, Hands: 117)
Hero (BB): 121 BB
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 28.66, PFR: 16.01, 3Bet Preflop: 9.40, Hands: 309)
UTG+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 26.99, PFR: 13.15, 3Bet Preflop: 4.39, Hands: 291)
MP: 125.5 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 19.78, 3Bet Preflop: 10.77, Hands: 182)
MP+1: 88 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB, 8 players post ante of 0.5 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 5.5 BB) Hero has 7 J

UTG raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 5 BB, fold, BTN calls 5 BB, SB calls 4.5 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

Flop: (29 BB, 5 players) 9 5 K
SB checks, Hero bets 28 BB, UTG calls 28 BB, fold, BTN calls 28 BB, fold

Turn: (113 BB, 3 players) Q
Hero bets 87.5 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 66.5 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 87.5 BB

River: (354.5 BB, 3 players) 8
Flopped a Jack-high flush in the BB, what's the right course of action? Quote
03-29-2017 , 05:47 AM
J7 is not the greatest hand to start flatting to a big raise imo though I guess there's a lot of money in the pot and you can flop some nutted hands (but would prefer suited A or more connected cards).

On flop I think x/c or x/r are both viable options. Donking I don't totally hate but it seems a bit unnecessary and doing it this big only gives people a chance to get away with marginal holdings.

If you're beat it's kinda whatever, no need to start folding flushes at these stakes on non-paired boards.
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03-29-2017 , 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Ron!n
J7 is not the greatest hand to start flatting to a big raise imo though I guess there's a lot of money in the pot and you can flop some nutted hands (but would prefer suited A or more connected cards).

On flop I think x/c or x/r are both viable options. Donking I don't totally hate but it seems a bit unnecessary and doing it this big only gives people a chance to get away with marginal holdings.

If you're beat it's kinda whatever, no need to start folding flushes at these stakes on non-paired boards.
I see what you're saying and I'm on the same wavelength. The thing is, it was only 4 more bb to call into a big pot and J-7 suited isn't the worst holding. When the 3 clubs hit my logic was 'I doubt anyone else has two clubs, and if anyone has a higher club (very likely) they at least need to hit another club to beat my hand'... so I wanted to just scoop up the big pot then and there. Is this the wrong logic to have?

At these stakes I do find that the decision-making process I have is different to a live $1/$2 game and in this spot at higher stakes I think I'd probably fold pre-flop to be honest. Even if I had called and seen the flop my logic there would be that another club can easily hit and then I'm ruined by a higher card.
Flopped a Jack-high flush in the BB, what's the right course of action? Quote
03-29-2017 , 07:13 AM
played it to perfection post-flop, pre is debatable.
wp
Flopped a Jack-high flush in the BB, what's the right course of action? Quote
03-29-2017 , 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by genio27
I see what you're saying and I'm on the same wavelength. The thing is, it was only 4 more bb to call into a big pot and J-7 suited isn't the worst holding. When the 3 clubs hit my logic was 'I doubt anyone else has two clubs, and if anyone has a higher club (very likely) they at least need to hit another club to beat my hand'... so I wanted to just scoop up the big pot then and there. Is this the wrong logic to have?
J7 isn't the worst but it isn't the best either, you really need to hit gin, flopping J24 for instance you will either win a small pot or get into some trouble. But as long as you play careful with non-gin hands it's ok I guess.

With this flop you just want to get the money in in whatever way you can. You don't wanna scoop up the 'big pot' on the flop, you want to scoop up a huge pot. So you gotta figure how to deceive these guys into thinking you're not that strong and call with weaker hands (including flushdraws) whilst paying too much to do so. Betting big is fine, just not sure if donking is the best way to go about it. I guess it's at least different from x/c flop x/r turn which is always perceived as very strong.
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03-29-2017 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
played it to perfection post-flop, pre is debatable.
wp
+1.

pre you get yourself into a bad starting spot OOP i rather just 3bet it if i really wanna play it.

postflop i guess Ac will commit sometimes.
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