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03-08-2017 , 05:19 PM

Fullcounter

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Hi everyone, this is my first post. (sorry for my bad english)
So, villain important stats are (VPIP: 22.65, PFR: 18.39, 3Bet Preflop: 8.32, AF:52%, Hands: 5,502)
raise flop cb: 10,raise cb in 3bpot 16(6/38), Fold to pfb 3b after raise: 50, raise first in utg : 17, WTSD:30, WSD: 54

If i were 100x i would consider almost right to go AI on the flop but over 200x? what is your thoughts about?

PokerStars - €0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
SB: 127.8 BB
BB: 147.4 BB
UTG: 228 BB
Hero (MP): 418.2 BB
CO: 324.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K

UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 10.4 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 7.4 BB

Flop: (22.2 BB, 2 players) 6

UTG checks, Hero bets 13.6 BB, UTG raises to 37.8 BB Hero?

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03-08-2017 , 07:33 PM

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grinder

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 518

What beats us at this stage? AA/66/77/33.
What are we ahead that does this? QQ/JJ/AKs,.possibly TT?

I think I prefer to call and re-evaluate on the turn. But could also see myself shoving as we are getting called by hands that we beat.

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03-08-2017 , 08:33 PM

Delmar

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You have 5.5K hands on villain? What kind of volume are you putting in to build that kind of database in zoom?

Surely you have a good idea what he is playing. What hands does he 4bet, Does he ever flat AA? Will he call wide 98 etc, will he x/r flush draws.

With this many hands you surely should be able to provide more useful information to help build a picture and make the best decision.

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03-08-2017 , 09:27 PM

Fullcounter

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#Coded
I think the call expose me to a very diffuclt decison on many turn, but it's a ragionable choice.

#Delmar
yes, he is a solid reg. 4bet ratio is: 3, sometimes trap AA, Floats Brodway also in 3b pot. Op he flat 3b with combo like AQ-AJ,KQ,JTs, high-medium PP, medium SC (T9-98). raise cb with FD + overcards, or combodraw
i don't know if shove my stack on the flop is Ev+ 200x, if this move is the "best".

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03-08-2017 , 09:28 PM

c.montecristo

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If V was 100 bb deep shove all day 33 prop is not part from his open utg range and don't flating vs 3bet oop 66 +77..
So the biggest part is 1010,JJ,QQ and AKs but 210 bb Effective he can call for setmining 66,77 16% raise vs cbet in 3bet pot is decent I call and re-evaluate ott ..

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03-08-2017 , 11:42 PM

Franchise804

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We will be folding a bunch of turns but at least we don't block any flushdraws

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03-09-2017 , 04:35 AM

DomnulPescar

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Call flop, probably call turn on any non spade non T/5 and then reevaluate otr. If he bets big again and turn and river bricked just fold. Shove flop is bad because we are very deep and we can already be behind sets, 2p and straights and more or less flipping with 89ss/AsXs (these are pretty much all hands villain will do this with)

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03-09-2017 , 05:03 AM

Haizemberg93

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Probably we should call down but imo V dont have many bluff in this spot he can have all sets we cant and his "bluffs" are nut flush draws and combo draws so we have very low equity vs that

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03-09-2017 , 06:18 AM

Fullcounter

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Thanks everyone, your comments are very useful to me to elaborate a correct TP.

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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93

Probably we should call down but imo V dont have many bluff in this spot he can have all sets we cant and his "bluffs" are nut flush draws and combo draws so we have very low equity vs that

Doc. Haizember

I evalutate this spot on Equilab, so

Board: 7s3s6c
Equity Win Pareggio
MP2 36.71% 36.01% 0.70% { KdKh }
MP3 63.29% 62.60% 0.70% { AA, QQ, 77-66, 33, AsKs, AsQs, KsQs, AsJs, Ts9s, 9s8s }

This is the worst case scenario, but if we eliminate AA and add some combo like JJ, low fd, the equity is about 50%. Well, fold flop (conservative) or call an re-evalutate ott seems to be good.

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03-09-2017 , 06:25 AM

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tjpoker

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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93

Probably we should call down but imo V dont have many bluff in this spot he can have all sets we cant and his "bluffs" are nut flush draws and combo draws so we have very low equity vs that

Do you think this kind of player will open 77- UTG? Wouldn't seem to fit his stats to me - unless he's positionally unaware?

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03-09-2017 , 06:30 AM

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grinder

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Originally Posted by tjpoker

Do you think this kind of player will open 77- UTG? Wouldn't seem to fit his stats to me - unless he's positionally unaware?

Id say 77, as well as 66 are easily in his range here at 6max, initially to set mine. He could also call the 3bet as he is closing the action and notices we are deep. Seen this too many times.

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03-09-2017 , 06:40 AM

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Haizemberg93

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That is not the worst case scenario

rhe worst case is if he only do thiš with two pair + and you should mot give him QQ that make our equity much bigger

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03-09-2017 , 08:05 AM

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Fullcounter

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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93

That is not the worst case scenario

rhe worst case is if he only do thiš with two pair + and you should mot give him QQ that make our equity much bigger

lol,bad english bro and bad use of superlative. do you probably know what i mean, it's one of worse scenario possible.

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03-09-2017 , 09:03 AM

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Haizemberg93

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What ever. I m just trying to help

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03-09-2017 , 09:53 AM

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Flpmethntsdlr

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Originally Posted by tjpoker

Do you think this kind of player will open 77- UTG? Wouldn't seem to fit his stats to me - unless he's positionally unaware?

Sure, it's standard to open 77+ utg.

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03-09-2017 , 01:33 PM

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ARCANGEL0

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i fold is always a set

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