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10-29-2010, 12:32 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Aug 2005
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COTW: The Moneyball of Poker
"In the late 1970s and early 1980s, the bond and option markets were dominated by traders who had learned their craft by experience. They believed that their experience and intuition for trading were a renewable edge; that is, that they could make money just as they always had by continuing to trade as they always had. By the mid-1990s, a revolution in trading had occurred; the old school grizzled traders had been replaced by a new breed of quantitative analysts, applying mathematics to the "art" of trading and making of it a science.
If the latest backgammon programs, based on neural net technology and mathematical analysis had played in a tournament in the late 1970s, their play would have been mocked as overaggressive and weak by the experts of the time. Today, computer analyses are considered to be the final word on backgammon play by the world's strongest players - and the game is fundamentally changed for it.
And for decades, the highest levels of poker have been dominated by players who have learned the game by playing it, "road gamblers" who have cultivated intuition for the game and are adept at reading other player' hands from betting patterns and physical tells. Over the last five to ten years, a whole new breed of player has risen to prominence within the poker community. Applying the tools of computer science and mathematics to poker and sharing information across the Internet, these players have challenged many of the assumptions that underlie traditional approaches to the game."
From The Mathematics of Poker - Bill Chen & Jerrod Ankenman
In a three part COTW series I hope to introduce some of the statistical concepts that have transformed the fields of finance, baseball, backgammon, and numerous social and hard sciences but have yet to be meaningfully applied to poker. As it was in finance before the 80’s and baseball before Bill James, the poker world is currently dominated by players who have learned through experience, intuition and gut feel. While HEM and PT3 enjoy a wide user base, their function is almost exclusively descriptive rather than predictive. This leaves much to be desired considering the most important questions in poker, such as "what’s my opponent’s likely hand", and "will he fold to my bet", hinge on incomplete information.
The underlying assumption of these methods is that the best decisions are based on quantification and numbers, determined by the patterns of the past. The intuition we implicitly develop as poker players supports this hypothesis - namely that there are essentially stable relationships between the observable characteristics of our opponents, their actions, and whether they are strong or weak in a hand.
The first post of this series will examine the nature of expected value in poker and how attempting to maximize it is really a question of applied statistics. Using Nate Silver’s success predicting the 2008 presidential election as a backdrop, the second post will introduce the statistical method known as regression analysis which can be used to quantify the relationship between related factors. In the last post I’ll apply these concepts with a video demo of an Excel model I built for estimating an opponent’s hand range from hand history data.
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10-29-2010, 12:42 AM
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adept
Join Date: Oct 2009
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Re: COTW: The Moneyball of Poker
Sounds crazy. FIRST
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10-29-2010, 12:47 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Re: COTW: The Moneyball of Poker
2nd! Def keen for this one as I'm a math geek
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10-29-2010, 12:50 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Iowa
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Re: COTW: The Moneyball of Poker
Probably another post I won't understand. Bring it on either way.
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10-29-2010, 02:29 AM
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See my coaching listing
Join Date: Dec 2008
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Re: COTW: The Moneyball of Poker
Sounds ambitious OP, best of luck.
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10-29-2010, 04:45 AM
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centurion
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Maximose school of poker
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Re: COTW: The Moneyball of Poker
This has potential to be epic.
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10-29-2010, 05:04 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Back in Europe
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Re: COTW: The Moneyball of Poker
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10-29-2010, 05:09 AM
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scrub
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 20,119
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Re: COTW: The Moneyball of Poker
booom
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10-29-2010, 05:42 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Nov 2008
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Re: COTW: The Moneyball of Poker
Quote:
Originally Posted by Money022
Probably another post I won't understand. Bring it on either way.
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OP: Sounds like a good read.
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10-29-2010, 05:45 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Aug 2009
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Re: COTW: The Moneyball of Poker
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cangurino
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this
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10-29-2010, 05:48 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Maynooth, Kildare, Ireland
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Re: COTW: The Moneyball of Poker
In before epicness starts!!!!!!!!!!
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10-29-2010, 10:29 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Iowa
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Re: COTW: The Moneyball of Poker
<--getting antsy...
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10-29-2010, 10:49 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Needs more stakees
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Re: COTW: The Moneyball of Poker
Sounds awesome
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10-29-2010, 12:04 PM
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grinder
Join Date: May 2010
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 491
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Re: COTW: The Moneyball of Poker
Haha, can't wait!
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10-29-2010, 12:31 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: CZECH REPUBLIC, Europe
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Re: COTW: The Moneyball of Poker
Sounds great!
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