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Old 08-17-2009, 02:55 PM   #26
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Re: ****Concept of the Week" Schedule and Table of Contents****

It's prob an insolent question, but why didn't greg put all this stuff in the original CotW thread on 3betting? I mean, this:

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I mean there is soooooo much that knn skipped.
is totally opposite of what the CotW threads' stated purpose is. It was never knn's job to write the book on 3betting. It was knn's job to start the thread. Then it was up to the rest of us to discuss it, add what we thought was lacking, and flesh it out. You didn't do that, but now--and say what you want but this is basically what it boils down to--you call the thread starter's work inadequate and want to 'improve upon it' (read: hijack it) because you think you can do better

Smacks of ego to me. Sorry. The 3betting CotW thread is still out there, it was never locked to my knowledge, and anyone is still free to add to it. Why we need another thread on the same topic because greg asserts he's better at it than knn, someone will have to explain to me
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Old 08-17-2009, 03:08 PM   #27
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It's prob an insolent question, but why didn't greg put all this stuff in the original CotW thread on 3betting? I mean, this:



is totally opposite of what the CotW threads' stated purpose is. It was never knn's job to write the book on 3betting. It was knn's job to start the thread. Then it was up to the rest of us to discuss it, add what we thought was lacking, and flesh it out. You didn't do that, but now--and say what you want but this is basically what it boils down to--you call the thread starter's work inadequate and want to 'improve upon it' (read: hijack it) because you think you can do better

Smacks of ego to me. Sorry. The 3betting CotW thread is still out there, it was never locked to my knowledge, and anyone is still free to add to it. Why we need another thread on the same topic because greg asserts he's better at it than knn, someone will have to explain to me
Part of the reason I delayed in getting back to him on this was because the thread is still open, and he could post in it, like you say.

But I don't think he is saying he is better at it than she is. He just said there was a lot of stuff she left out. and that is 100% true; I haven't looked at the thread in a couple of months, but my memory of the op is that knn05 said something like people create too much preflop drama, and she talked a lot about folding to 3 bets.

I'm not knocking her or her post; I think knn05 would be the first to say that she did not comprehensively cover the subject. You are right; she was charged with starting the discussion, not covering everything, and she did an excellent job of that.

So, yeah, while he could post in that thread, I don't think there is a major problem doing a redux on her subject or any other subject, for that matter. If he is planning a major post, as it sounds like, people are more likely to see it if it is an OP than if it is post 123 or whatever in the other thread.
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Old 08-17-2009, 04:00 PM   #28
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That's fair enough, I suppose. I guess maybe other people have more of a life than I do and don't read long posts unless they're OPs :P
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Old 08-17-2009, 04:13 PM   #29
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That's fair enough, I suppose. I guess maybe other people have more of a life than I do and don't read long posts unless they're OPs :P


I want you to know I took your post seriously because:

a. all your posts are worth taking seriously, and

b. I shared some of your concerns and had put a couple of days' thought into the same issues you raised.
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Old 08-18-2009, 10:22 AM   #30
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re: games getting tougher, people getting better

Peter principle.
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Old 09-18-2009, 06:05 AM   #31
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How to play AK?
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AK questions:
1. Raise vs limp?
2. 3B vs call raise?
3. Call 3B vs 4B?
4. Shove over 4B?
5. Missed flop - now what?
6. AK vs calling stations/aggrodonks who always put you on AK anyway?
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Old 09-19-2009, 05:57 PM   #32
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Re: ****Concept of the Week" Schedule and Table of Contents****

Bet sizing post flop?

I see some pretty bad bet sizing alot around here. In both bet and raise sizes post flop.

Obviously I am not qualified for this but maybe someone else?

Also, Playing from the blinds? Calling raises? completing from SB, raising from blinds etc?
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Old 09-21-2009, 05:41 PM   #33
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Bet sizing post flop?

I see some pretty bad bet sizing alot around here. In both bet and raise sizes post flop.

Obviously I am not qualified for this but maybe someone else?
http://www.splitsuit.com/betsizing

my old poohbah on betsizing =)
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Old 09-23-2009, 01:22 PM   #34
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+1

AK questions:
1. Raise vs limp?
2. 3B vs call raise?
3. Call 3B vs 4B?
4. Shove over 4B?
5. Missed flop - now what?
6. AK vs calling stations/aggrodonks who always put you on AK anyway?
...
1. First in, always raise.
2. Depends on who raised. If it's an EP raise and you're IP post flop then call. (say UTG raised, and it's folded to you OTB just call). If you're in the blinds, with AK then imho it's almost always a 3b. Though, if UTG or UTG+1 raised it depends a lot on their stats/image. You always want to see the flop HU, though, so keep that in mind when deciding whether to flat or 3b.
3. You should fold AK when OOP and facing a 3b though it depends on villain; sometimes 4B and get it in. IP, I'm pretty much always calling the 3b.
4. Depends on what you want to accomplish. You should be more inclined to 4b when OOP with AK against a villain you're willing to get it aipf with. If villain is a nit and 3bs, then fold it OOP and flat it IP.
5. The point of 3betting is to re-seize initiative and cbets will work more often in 3b pots. Sometimes, though, you need to be willing to double barrel when you whiff the flop. Say you're in the SB and 3b AK and villain OTB or CO flats your 3b and you whiff. Vs. some villain's, I'm simply c/f if I miss. Vs. others, I'll double barrel all day even when I miss.
6. Why are they always putting you on AK? Is it b/c you cbet the flop and then shut down?

All of the above applies mostly for 50NL. In the end, it depends on the villain's image, your image and position. It depends too much on the situation to give straight forward answers....
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Old 09-23-2009, 07:37 PM   #35
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In the end, it depends on the villain's image, your image and position. It depends too much on the situation to give straight forward answers....
+ it depends on board texture
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Old 10-08-2009, 07:55 PM   #36
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Re: ****Concept of the Week" Schedule and Table of Contents****

Dont think this has been mentioned but someone should do a COTW about ante tables since they seem to be all the rage nowadays and FTP has them in the micros now it appears. They are pretty knew to us down here so we may have to recruit a SSNL or MSNL player to give a tutorial.
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Old 10-09-2009, 06:30 PM   #37
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How to play AK?
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I recently discovered this is a big leak for me. -0.6bb/hand over just short of 1K hands. I've had some sick luck, but there's still got to be some big problems there.
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Old 10-11-2009, 10:14 PM   #38
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1. First in, always raise.
2. Depends on who raised. If it's an EP raise and you're IP post flop then call. (say UTG raised, and it's folded to you OTB just call). If you're in the blinds, with AK then imho it's almost always a 3b. Though, if UTG or UTG+1 raised it depends a lot on their stats/image. You always want to see the flop HU, though, so keep that in mind when deciding whether to flat or 3b.
3. You should fold AK when OOP and facing a 3b though it depends on villain; sometimes 4B and get it in. IP, I'm pretty much always calling the 3b.
4. Depends on what you want to accomplish. You should be more inclined to 4b when OOP with AK against a villain you're willing to get it aipf with. If villain is a nit and 3bs, then fold it OOP and flat it IP.
5. The point of 3betting is to re-seize initiative and cbets will work more often in 3b pots. Sometimes, though, you need to be willing to double barrel when you whiff the flop. Say you're in the SB and 3b AK and villain OTB or CO flats your 3b and you whiff. Vs. some villain's, I'm simply c/f if I miss. Vs. others, I'll double barrel all day even when I miss.
6. Why are they always putting you on AK? Is it b/c you cbet the flop and then shut down?

All of the above applies mostly for 50NL. In the end, it depends on the villain's image, your image and position. It depends too much on the situation to give straight forward answers....
great stuff!
i hate playing AK, i always feel like i'm doing it wrong. i would love a longer more in depth analysis as a COTW.
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Old 10-16-2009, 10:28 AM   #39
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16 Nov 09: How to Deal with and Get out of a Downswing; AFchung
Could I get this delivered today? haha! I need it! SOS!
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Old 10-16-2009, 02:32 PM   #40
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Could I get this delivered today? haha! I need it! SOS!
to hold you over until the COTW arrives.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...nswing-238832/
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Old 10-16-2009, 09:07 PM   #41
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to hold you over until the COTW arrives.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...nswing-238832/
that's a solid post, sammy. I don't see any room for improvement there; afchung has his work cut out for him.
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I would love to start an AK CoTW! One of my earliest discussion threads on 2+2 was called "Why I hate AK OOP at uNL," and it was because of not quite knowing what to do, or where AK's strength comes from.
can you do it for November 23? I think it is a good topic.
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to hold you over until the COTW arrives.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...nswing-238832/
Thanks for this one! It's really good! Actually this is what I've been thinking about in the last days - how to improve my game not how to grind more hands and get out of the swing.
And I like advices in the end of the post!

Thanks!
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Old 10-21-2009, 11:50 PM   #44
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can you do it for November 23? I think it is a good topic.
Sure!
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Old 10-23-2009, 11:11 AM   #45
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to hold you over until the COTW arrives.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...nswing-238832/
Excellent thread/post. Thanks for (re)sharing.
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Can't wait for this one I hate AK with a passion, I lose so much with it.
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Old 10-28-2009, 12:45 AM   #47
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Re: ****Concept of the Week" Schedule and Table of Contents****

Is there a COTW on the new Ante tables?

- Pre-flop starting hands adjustments
- Pre-flop raise sizes
- Are the tables juicier?
- ???
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Old 10-29-2009, 02:06 PM   #48
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understandiong variance, how long running bad can last.... blah blah
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Is there a COTW on the new Ante tables?

- Pre-flop starting hands adjustments
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- Are the tables juicier?
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Is there a COTW on the new Ante tables?

- Pre-flop starting hands adjustments
- Pre-flop raise sizes
- Are the tables juicier?
- ???
This is a FTP specific item, one that I think we will address in a Thread or in the regs thread, but I don't think it should be a COTW since its site specific.
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