in before lock.....seriously delete this thread, uNL is getting tougher and there is no need to give everybody the key.

thnk u =) PM for the latter part of your post =)

and Sammy...i 100% agree. i, and many others, give away way too much for free.

the calling the 5bet shove, was a real eye opener for me...I've been doing it wrong.

great i will watch this tonight

Great video, will have to watch it a couple of times to fully get it I guess. Is there a way to dl it? (if not np)

Can't resist the following plug for arithmetic: If you want to figure out a mixed equity, say 70% of the time we have 57%, and 30% of the time we have 46% (or whatever the numbers were), then take the difference between the two and add a proportion of it to the lower value. Here, difference is 11, 70% of that is 7.7, 46+7.7=53.7. If you approximate that at the table you might say that you have to go 70% of the way from 46 to 57, so that gives you a good idea.

I think you wildly overestimate the ability of the average poker player to do hard work.

This thread has 370 views as of when I'm posting. Out of that, just how many people do you think are going to take King's challenge and actually work out the problem? If the answer is in two digits, I'll be stunned.

Understanding there is this thing called equity is one thing, actually running enough scenarios that a player will know the right play in the heat of battle is another.

*split*, I just wanted to add that I was doing it wrong when the villain 5 bet shoved, as i was often folding some pretty decent hands.

I manned up last night and 4 bet a BB 3 bettor whose 3 bet from the BB was 14% or so; I 4 bet him with AQs, he shoved and I called. He showed me 44 and got my stack.

Couldn't have done it without you, buddy.

So I had a relatively spewy session last night, but I think my mistakes could be a good teaching tool, so I will post some of the hands with calculations if people are interested

I have done my homework, when can I post it (" oooo ooo ooo" waving wildly from the front of the class).

My humble suggestion would be wait until Friday night, but I don't want to hijack the thread. It is really the mods and/or split's decision.

do it up. this thread is for discussion on this topic...sounds good to me

k i was going to post this, but i realized that there are no overpair or straight options in opponent groups and i think my math may be slightly (or more than slightly) skewed. I'll try to rework it.

ok here's my take on King Spew's homework:

Option: Shove

Hero is dealt 99
Villain’s PF range = 22+, ATs+, KJs+, QJs, JTs, T9s, 98s, AJo+, KJo+, QJo, JTo
On the turn: T 8 7 2
48.5 BB pot after villain bets 22 BB
Villain has 90.5 BB behind

Option: Shove
Villain’s turn cbet range = AA - 77, 22, AKs, ATs, ATo, QJs, QJo, JTs - J9s, JTo - J9o,
T9s, 98s,

I am adjusting the preflop range to include the J9 straight here since villain is willing to fire a double barrel on a connected board. I have removed a lot of the overcards that would most likely not fire again, but left a few in (AK) because he will do this once in a while. I’m deriving this range based on PF range + board texture + postflop tendencies (65% turn cbet in particular).

Villain will continue with straight, OESD (T9), sets, and overpairs. He folds 56% of the time.
Hero has 23% equity versus villain’s continuance range.

Profit (BB) = (0.66 * 48.5) + 0.34((0.23 * 139) – (0.77 * 90.5))
Profit (BB) = 27.16 + 0.34(-37.72)
Profit (BB) = 14.33

Since shoving is profitable, I am assuming that is going to be the best option as opposed to calling. We do fold out all worse hands and only get called by better. BUT we can also fold out some better hands, and we are not going to gain any more value out of worse hands on the river by calling the turn anyways unless those worse hands improve to better hands and end up beating us. And if we end up calling and hitting our straight, we are not getting anymore either since our hand is obvious.

And shoving is even better if we can ever get him to lay down overpairs. I think he may be capable of folding JJ/QQ in this spot.

Flopzilla does not account for turn, which is essentially blank except for villain having 22. I've taken that into account by upping the continuation % a bit. I also removed two 9's from the deck, which we have:



Thoughts?

The group 'overpair' is missing in stoxpoker combo and from what I can see an overpair is not counted as TP. So if I check the boxes before TP, OESD and twopair to get a continuation range, than overpairs are not counted.

Or am I wrong...?

EDIT: just saw that JH1 also mentioned this.

im just hoping i turn u all into huge spewfish so my WR can go up =)

but srsly, AQ in a positional or BvB pot = instanuts

44...not so much unless they hold it against my AQ =)