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Old 05-17-2017, 01:12 PM   #1
jpfrancis
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Completing SB with trash what can go wrong?

I was enjoying a decent session; playing quite tight, when this happened!

Is my biggest mistake not betting the turn? should I stop to evaluate after the river reraise? Just a cooler move onto the next hand?


    Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37726997

    CO: $1.98 (99 bb)
    BTN: $2.03 (101.5 bb)
    Hero (SB): $3.58 (179 bb)
    BB: $1.63 (81.5 bb)
    UTG: $1.63 (81.5 bb)
    MP: $2.02 (101 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 3
    2 folds, CO calls $0.02, BTN calls $0.02, Hero completes, BB checks

    Flop: ($0.08) 8 J 4 (4 players)
    Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets $0.05, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.05, BB folds

    Turn: ($0.18) 8 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $0.09, Hero calls $0.09

    River: ($0.36) J (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.30, CO raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $3.42 and is all-in, CO calls $1.22 and is all-in

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    Old 05-17-2017, 01:42 PM   #2
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    Re: Completing SB with trash what can go wrong?

    hum......fold pre
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    Old 05-17-2017, 01:55 PM   #3
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    Re: Completing SB with trash what can go wrong?

    Fold pre. You're only getting 7:1 to complete and you have a hand that basically has to flop trips to have any value. Even a hand like 73s gives you much more equity (straight and flush potential).
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    Old 05-17-2017, 09:40 PM   #4
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    Re: Completing SB with trash what can go wrong?

    83o might as well be 72o. Fold pre and we don't get into this spot later. I'll never treat this as a cooler. Tighten your range on the SB.
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    Old 05-18-2017, 12:39 AM   #5
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    Re: Completing SB with trash what can go wrong?

    While playing 83o in the SB is a losing play, this could've been a spot where you won money.

    Check raising or calling on the turn is absolutely fine. You can opt to trap or extract value here and neither is a bad play.

    Your mistake is reraising on the river. Coolers happen all the time and people get there. It's very possibly the villain has Jx here and when you jam like that, really only Jx is calling you.

    If the guy is a whale calling you with any overpair, then yeah you can argue this jam and you'll be able to win more money from him in the long run. Other than that, even a fish will not call this jam without Jx in this spot.
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    Old 05-18-2017, 05:58 AM   #6
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    Re: Completing SB with trash what can go wrong?

    Is river reraise a bluff? Seriously why do you think reraising river here is a good play?

    83 pre is one of the absolute worst hands to have, just fold it.
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    Old 05-18-2017, 10:48 AM   #7
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    Re: Completing SB with trash what can go wrong?

    In the small blind you'll be out of position the whole hand. That's a HUGE disadvantage and cannot be understated.

    Also how are you going to make marginal decisions if you don't know your own range? In certain spot I'll be like "I'll check call 87 raise A7 and check fold 67 and check raise 77"...

    what on earth will you do? " I'll check call 82o, 94o...I check raise bluff 83o on a 8J48J board"
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    Old 05-19-2017, 12:07 PM   #8
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    Re: Completing SB with trash what can go wrong?

    1) Fold pre

    2) Since you got all trappy on the turn and flat called a half pot bet, you are now in check-call the river mode (or even check fold). Villain led 2 streets on a jack high board and any jack beats you. If he bets a 3rd street what on earth do you think he has?

    After you lead the river and are raise its a fold.
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    Old 05-22-2017, 08:21 AM   #9
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    Re: Completing SB with trash what can go wrong?

    fold pre..
    fold flop..
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    Old 05-29-2017, 10:19 PM   #10
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    Re: Completing SB with trash what can go wrong?

    Grunch...

    Fold pre.. however, seen as you got to the river you should just fold to the raise..
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