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Late, but great stuff Sir, thanks for takin the time to do it. And small PP's are a beotch in EP.

sircuddles,

I love your guide. Really excellent. *bows down to you*

What I find sad is that a lot of what you mentioned I instinctively know, just from playing the micros so much, but somehow I've never been able to act on this knowledge. I've been reading it over and over, hoping that it will make a lasting impression. Thank you.

This may be a terrible question, since this topic has been covered somewhat in your guide and in this thread, but I want to make sure I have this right since this is my biggest leak:

When you raise from LP, get a caller, whiff the flop, you will usually c-bet. If he calls your c-bet, and you don't improve on the turn, you are no longer putting money into the pot, correct?

This is where I lose a lot of chips. I don't know when to give up. The problem I find is, when you c-bet the flop and then surrender the hand after being called, the pot is taken away from you nearly 100% of the time. When villains take notice of this, you start to get exploited...when you c-bet they know they can take you off, and when you stay in the hand, they know you have something and fold. Grrrr.

You can't expect to win every pot with air. You have to walk away sometimes, this is usually one of those times.

GAHHH I know its right to do this but it is still frustrating


Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $2.54
SB: $7.05
Hero (BB): $5.00
UTG: $8.21
UTG+1: $9.95
MP1: $2.99
MP2: $9.90
CO: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with A A
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, MP1 calls $0.05, 1 fold, CO calls $0.05, BTN calls $0.05, SB calls $0.03, Hero raises to $0.50, 5 folds

Final Pot: $0.30
Hero mucks A A
Hero wins $0.30

Just go look at my AA hand and remind yourself that picking up the blinds and dead money is good.

Win small ones lose big ones as the saying goes.

Hi.

Do you use a HUD? If you do, check out the "fold to Turn C-bet" stat. I´ve noticed that villains floats a lot in position. But many of them just call your flop C-bet and shut down if you bet the Turn as well, "..because everyone is C-betting the flop..".
If villain has stats like: "fold to C-bet"=30 and "fold to Turn C-bet"=70, then go ahead and bet the turn as well.

McAvoy has a good point in that you cant win every pot, but I really think you shoud do this, not allways, but sometimes with air, sometimes with marginal holdings with some showdown value agains this kind of villains.

BTW sircuddles, your guide is great reading! Well done and thanks for doing this .

More evidence for OP. EZ game.

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $0.70
UTG+1: $6.85
MP1: $2.10
MP2: $12.24
CO: $5.13
Hero (BTN): $5.00
SB: $5.00
BB: $4.97

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with K A
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.72) A 9 9 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $0.65, MP2 calls $0.65

Turn: ($2.02) 6 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $1.35, MP2 calls $1.35

River: ($4.72) J (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $2.70 all in, MP2 calls $2.70

Very nice guide Ill have to try nitting it up on full tilt new micros.

One good thing to do with complusive floaters is to take the same line you take when you miss with your strong hands. You c-bet the flop, they call. Then you check the turn and they bet, now you can call or raise them. I know the best line with our good hands in the micros is to bet / bet / shove (As would say Greg), but I think you can punish that jerk that calls every one of your steals from the BB just to float every flop with this line and then get some respects on your c-bets so they will stop check calling you with 44 on a K J 9 board.

How'd I miss this post?! Thanks sircuddles!

Great summary. Bookmarked this.

Sticky?

sircuddles: One quick question - as you didn't mention it, am I right to assume that you don't think table selection is that important at these levels? And that following your advice should result in winning in the long term at any kinds of tables?

I ask as I've read elsewhere that it's beneficial to go for tables with a small pot average but lots of players seeing the flop, as that combo generally means the players are mostly loose-passive.

Thanks!

Table selection is always +EV, regardless of level. The fishier the players, the better. It's even easier to value bet with more fish around. For a new player, regulars are likely to give them trouble so it's always better to find the fishiest tables you can. % Players/flop is the best indicator of fishy tables, although it isn't always true.

Following the advice in the guide should make you a winning player up to and including 25NL. At 25NL you'll probably be winning the minimum if you don't open up your game, but being a general ABC nit definitely makes money at 2NL-10NL and even at 25NL, although it makes a bit less.

Here's a great guide to table selection that was posted a few months ago, magpie. Table selecting doesn't require that much effort, can really impact your winrate, and is a skill that you should try to master before you move up rather than while you're moving up.

Grand, thanks guys.

tcarr - I'll add that to my massive reading list

Float On why don't you

Thank you for the guide!

Simply fantastic guide, thank you! Going to go back now, read the stickies, the other links to other guide etc.,

Thanks!

stop posting these guides ppl srsly u want everyone to win or what

Didn't you guys read the fine print? Anyone who uses this guide and benefits has to ship me $10. It was a great idea for me to post this with this very legally binding agreement in very very fine print (invisible you might say), DUCY?

I've recently started playing ATC from the SB and have been pleased with the results.

lol

lol @ $10 dollars being enough to fix the damage done by your post.... DUCY?

Indeed, I'm sure this single post will be the end of all fish in poker. Sorry guys, I killed poker