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Originally Posted by full_house_fan
Is this true? Do you think this poster is correct or incorrect? Why or why not?
looks more or less right; the central idea behind sircuddles' guide is to get fat value from teh fish; as the stakes increase, the fish are slightly less plentiful and generally not quite as horrific-bad at poker; for instance a standard fish at 25NL might have just as bad a set of preflop stats as another fish at 2NL, but would be less likely to auto-call all streets with any pair/any draw; more likely to play loose-passive pre, but then fit-or-fold postflop (obviously this is still a bad and exploitable strategy, but it's not quite as bad as the 2NL payoff-monkey's strategy, in terms of it's less profitable in terms of bb/100 for us to play against the 25NL guy.)
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Originally Posted by full_house_fan
Will following the advice in this thread not result in one being a winning player at 25nl and 50nl at the USA friendly sites like Pokerstars and Full Tilt poker?
meh probably not a winning player @ 25NL, almost certainly not @ 50NL, but that was never the point of sircuddles' guide; it was meant as a way for a losing player to stop the bleeding, and to lay solid foundations for your game for you to build on later with more advanced stuff. even if all a reader does is break even at 10NL after reading the guide, that's still better than losing @ 10NL, no?
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If that's the case, what's missing? Have the games changed or are the players at 25nl and 50nl no longer fitting the profile the play in this thread was designed to beat?
afaik the guide was never meant to be a magic bullet to beat all pokers evar, iirc it actually says that somewhere near the beginning?
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never seen that thread before, thanks! have only read the first 100 posts, but it looks nice. um difference is that that's a player who (apparently) plays 400NL, so obviously he's going to play better, and have a higher winrate, than most of us micro posters. the strategies and concepts he uses are more advanced than the ones laid out in sircuddles' guide. i don't think those strategies are absolutely necesary to beat small games like 2NL-10NL on stars, but obviously if you can apply them correctly they're going to do good things for your bankroll; also to be borne in mind though is that if you applied them
incorrectly,
you'd quite possibly do worse than you would have just playing like sircuddles recommends.
several of the things that i read mentioned in that first 100 posts are concepts covered in the CoTW threads here in uNLFR, for example in the hand in
this post, the concepts of thin value and psuedo-thin value are used,
as discussed in the thin value CoTW thread.
the way i would recommend using those threads is this:
first read and understand and apply sircuddles' guide, this is the basic outline of how you will want to play against fish at all levels, cause fish are still fish.
only when you have all that down should you do anything you read in that jackwilcox thread, and don't try everything at once, just try to add a concept or two to your game, see what works for you, post some HH threads in this forum (or the beginners forum i guess?) before adding anything else to your game. if you just suddenly try to play like a 400NL'er, you will almost certainly butcher it and do the wrong stuff against the wrong players in the wrong spots
oh also that thread seems to deal wth 6max rather than FR.
all this is imho, obviously, hope my rambling is sort of useful anyway