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Can I fold here? Can I fold here?

02-21-2017 , 04:58 AM
Villian is 29/19/0 over 21 hands. This is in zoom



Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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BTN: $3.99
SB: $5.63
BB: $6.21
UTG: $9.55
UTG+1: $6.06
UTG+2: $5.11
MP1: $5.10
MP2: $4.32
Hero (CO): $6.24

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with A T
5 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, SB calls $0.13, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.50) 7 T A (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $0.30, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.60, BTN calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.70) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.98, Hero calls $0.98

River: ($3.66) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.51, BTN calls $2.26 all in

From flop action I was certain he had AJ-AK. With him betting turn and me calling, AJ seemed less likely. Basically at river I thought he most likely had AQ or AK, and less likely AJ. If I check river instead of bet, would I be facing a jam with AK? Would AQ not jam?
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02-21-2017 , 05:18 AM
Why would AK jam and AQ not jam...? You do realize that AQ gives him 2 pair right?

Can you give some reasons for the line you took on every street? I mean I could write a lot of comments about this hand but you've just played it in a very weird way and I'm not sure you're really thinking exactly about what you're trying to accomplish with your betting. I'd suggest reading some more basic concepts about when to bet and regular betting lines, such as discussed in the COTW threads on here. Losing 80 bb with two pair is kinda the least of your worries in this hand.
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02-21-2017 , 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Ron!n
Why would AK jam and AQ not jam...? You do realize that AQ gives him 2 pair right?

Can you give some reasons for the line you took on every street? I mean I could write a lot of comments about this hand but you've just played it in a very weird way and I'm not sure you're really thinking exactly about what you're trying to accomplish with your betting. I'd suggest reading some more basic concepts about when to bet and regular betting lines, such as discussed in the COTW threads on here. Losing 80 bb with two pair is kinda the least of your worries in this hand.
I meant the opposite of what you think i meant.

Flop I raised because like I said I knew he had some strong ace and he woulda called an extra 6 bb. Pretend I didn't bet river though, that was just spazz. Can you explain what you would have done F/T/R?
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02-21-2017 , 10:09 AM
But if you think he would def call an extra 6 bb with worse hands, why didn't you bet the turn to also make him call with those worse hands? Or did you expect him to bet or were you suddenly scared?

I'm just betting flop 3/4 pot as a standard cbet here, think there's a lot of hands that can call (Ax, Tx, straightdraws etc), especially this guy has a pretty wide range here. Never folding flop.

Turn I'm gonna go 3/4 pot again because he can still call with a lot that we beat and 3/4 pot will set up a nice river shove (that he can still call with a lot that we beat). Probably not folding here either because we have a lot invested already and this guy is not supertight, he could potentially shove AK or A7 or QT.


The way you've played it I think his range after flop is far wider than just AJ/AK, I think it's more like AX, straightdraws that you've given fine odds to continue, and I think sets are definitely not an obligatory 3bet either.

After you check turn I expect him to check back most of his non 2 pair holdings so I think his range is something like AK+. Not sure if he ever bluffs here.

River shove I'm kinda fine with if you're not folding to a shove by him, because it gives him a chance to make a calling mistake where I doubt he will ever continue a bluff (I wouldn't be expecting you to fold anything OTR that you x/r flop an x/c turn with, except 89 or so I guess but we don't need to bluff against that).
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02-21-2017 , 05:31 PM
I don't understand why you're going for a check raise on the flop lol.

Think about your range from the CO, assuming its standard.

Something like K9s+ KJo+ All Pairs A9s+ A10o+, A5s, and a few suited connectors right?
That means on that board, you're hitting a significant portion of the time, and I'd opt for a bet there for value, especially more so in microstakes. Think about it. You would be c-betting all aces, all two pairs, and most strong tens. By check raising, you're narrowing your range to a semi-bluff (which they wont believe anyway cause you're playing at 5nl) or a nutted hand, and you lose lots of value, and more BB's if he is ahead. It's a kind of situation where never calls with worse hands.

Also think about what happens if he checks back. Not only do you lose a street of value, you give him a free card.

Cbf writing everything in detail, but try balance your positions abit more even in the microstakes.

I would have raised pre, looking to fold to most 3 bets (in most stakes below 50NL), cbet flop, bet turn (looking to fold to a turn raise) and bet for value on the river.

Overall, the way it's played i'm snap folding.
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02-21-2017 , 06:27 PM
Thanks for the insight guys, I think I will c/f next time otr. I ran into a similar two-pair type cooler sometime later and I think it is quite profitable for me to fold when I recognize the situation. Also I see how betting on that board is better than checking, since he calls with at least as many hands as he calls a c/r.
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02-23-2017 , 10:57 AM
wow, you couldn't have butchered this hand more if you tried. i'm sorry, but really?
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02-23-2017 , 06:09 PM
Several plays are odds in your hand

1. Why check raising the flop ? A standard C-Bet hides the strength of your hand. For protection? If it's protection, the sizing is terrible. Any AJo+ will call your click back just to get there on the turn with also the backdoor straight, and potential flushes for the AJs+. And if you pot-size when you check raise, you only get called by better hands, which means you are already behind (77, TT, tricky AA) and almost drawing dead.

2. Why slowing down on the turn when you took the aggressive way on the flop? You are showing weakness after showing a weird click back value/protection. What's your plan here?

3. On the river you take the aggression back when you left it to your opponent on the turn. Are you valuing your hand on the river when you were not sure it was the best on the turn ? This blank on the river doesn't change anything to the strength of your hand.

Regardless of your opponent's hand, I think you played the whole hand reversed. Especially against a villain 29/19/0.
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02-23-2017 , 10:34 PM
way too fancy imo.

check raise the flop with 2 pair is fine to me but the size is telling your villain "plz, call me ill give you pot odds and implied odds "

checking the turn i think is a bad idea once you commit to the aggression keep that line otherwise it will look like you are giving value to a draw, cbet turn is way better and let you have a better idea where you at.

river is check/call check/fold depend on villains action,size and range.

don't base your poker on automated plays "im alway's gonna check fold this river" because this game is about the villain, sometimes they will try a bluff with KQo if they are fancy and sometimes tight players will check back with top two pairs fearing a straight or a set.

so instead of typing in your brain automated plays just play in a way you can make your reads easier. in this river you clearly don't have a range for your villain just 2 hands both cases are not likely. since you have A to block both AK and AQ, is more likely if he is calling the flop to have 98s QJ QK even sometimes 77, but since you know the guy is kinda fancy (27vpip/19) doesn't mean you have to play his game. you have to play to punish his game.
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02-23-2017 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by MrChoca
Several plays are odds in your hand

1. And if you pot-size when you check raise, you only get called by better hands, which means you are already behind (77, TT, tricky AA) and almost drawing dead.
this is not true. a lot of times i get even a 3rd bet with draws.
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