Villain was pretty tight, 14/8, 1 AF, when he called pre i thought that he could be doing that for setmining or with hands like AK since his 3-bet was small(2%)

145 hands.

OTF i decided to bet small to look like a small pair so i could get called by a wider range, like other PPs, almost all his sets could raise that flop easily, and he wouldn't raise-bluff me so often on that spot.

OTT i decided to bet again, i thought that most of his range was weak, so still wanting to get called by a small pair.

when he raised me i knew that he had it, we bot had the nut straight, then i had 2 choices: all-in and rake it in and split the pot most of the time, call and keep the pot small and call the river so i lose the least possible to the rake...

or...

tank OTT(i tanked some time, like 30s), then i called, wanting to pair the river or to reach a flush out there.
i knew that he wouldn't have a flush here almost never, since most suited broadways he should have were on the board, also i doubt that he could call pre with SCs.

when the flush came OTR, i decided to overshove and take down the pot, since he was nitty and i thought that there was the chance of him folding the same hand that i had so often that it could be profitable(even considering the rake that would be around 40 cents of my money, so it had to work around 1/10 of the time, which i thought that would.

how was it?


PokerStars - $0.10 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $11.12
SB: $9.92
BB: $14.03
UTG: $2.35
Hero (UTG+1): $25.02
UTG+2: $10.42
MP: $12.07
MP+1: $9.83
CO: $10.30

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has K A

fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.25, fold

Flop: ($0.70, 2 players) J Q A
SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, SB calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.30, 2 players) T
SB checks, Hero bets $0.60, SB raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.60

River: ($3.70, 2 players) 7
SB bets $1.00, Hero raises to $23.22 and is all-in, fold

Hero wins $5.44

Biggest mistake was thinking Villsin is nitty... He calls preflop very wide.

Turn is whatever. I don't mind the flat but I don't mind a 3bet either.

River -- pretty much hate. I think you we're likely ahead when you shoved.

ahead after he raises me OTT when any K makes the nuts?
he may be bluffing sometimes, but i doubt that someone with 1 AF would take that line so often.

I don't know how to really assess aggression factor... I never used that star not know at what sample it converges. But I do know that he's not a nit... I like your river raise more for value then bluff.

Don't see any point in turning an OK straight into a bluff OTR, you will fold out zero flushes and nothing else is calling that shove.

I really think you're leveling yourself here.

You aren't playing 200nl.

You may have just folded out a lot of value here.

V could have a set/AQ

I sort of feel the same. To bluff is to fold out better hands. To bet for value is to get worse to call (I know we all know this, just sayin...) which of these do you accomplish with the monster raise? His stats suggest to me he's a bit of a calling station, so he's not likely folding any of the hands that beat you, and not calling on that board with any hands you beat. Only in the very specific case where you put him on a king are you gaining some marginal bluff value by not splitting. I agree the hand looks very much like a king for the villain. But at only 145 hands of history, I don't think I'd risk 230 bb on the read. If going to bluff him off the king, you could have done so for much less bb at risk I think.

i'm risking 80 BB only, villain was 100BB deep pre-flop

Couldn't a turn raise have worked better? I mean, we know that the flush card scared villain (so he tried to do a 1/3.7pot hopeless bluff) but we can get a lot of value from other hands while we still have the nuts and the board didn't pair/get 3 same suits.

A +28bb net bluff... meh, don't know, I've done better
Jk, but I think value raising our straight works better than turning the former nuts into a bluff when the flush card comes.

Think about it: villain our villain doesn't use auto-rebuy, so there's a higher chance that he is a beginner that gets tilted easily (or a total fish, which lol makes our lives easier), so he flops top two/a set and sees an aggressor making aggression, and can't lay down his good hand (even if he is not actually tilted, you know a lot of people that can't make hero laydowns). Would we "just call" on the turn???

In my head this sounds perfect, except for the moronic turn min-raise that looks like a misclick by the villain. Also, do you know on how many tables was he playing?

Edit: I don't know about you, but I'm never doing tricky things to avoid a chop when I have the nuts. This is micro stakes, people do call with worse, even preflop nits. This isn't omaha where OTT you're being freeroled or the bottom of villain's range is middle set+nut flush draw

Best bluff of your life with the best hand. Well done Rapid. It's not like Kx or a flush is ever folding.

Edit: I just saw your BBV post, you actually think this is good? Or let me rephrase, you actually think you made villain fold the same hand or better? You demented?

Ya, I saw after my post that I missed that. Meh, the rest of the point still stands.

It's taking me a while to get back into the swing of things after 3 years, but can someone explain to me how this is a bluff with no full house or flush possible? I mean TPTK on the flop and the nut straight on the turn makes this a bluff?

Over Betting to rep the flush OTR

Might be ringrust, but I'm still not impressed. Nice hand anyway, OP.

Only I am taking the thread seriously?

And lol I think I rep'd a flush better today: villain 3bet my MP raise from sb I cal KsJs, flop all clubs under 9, he bets 1/2pot I call, turn blank he checks I bet a little more than half pot he folds. 17.4bb net YAYY

1. villain stack size is not full

2. villain min raise ott n then small bet otr= more than likely fish( at zoom its also harder to see who is the fish/reg)

3. i understand what you were trying to do but i think this is a case of you not understanding villain isn't a reg solely based off of his stats over small sample....

4. ott you can bet bigger for value as villain prob has between a flush draw & 2pair once he calls flop or could have a str8 but yea


p.s i think many posters ITT is off in their response to the bluff but yea either way this dont look like a good spot just due to the fact villain is most likely a fish n the likelyhood of it working is low

Any chance you might expand on this Exo? If my line (or others) is off, I'd certainly appreciate some input to understand where my thinking is incorrect.

I also fail to see how this is a bluff.

Shouldn't Hero be making the largest bet on the river he feel villan will call?
The all-in just gets a fold or snap-callled by a flush.

^^^ well basically i dont think any fish really raises much 2pair for VALUE ott... most fish are pretty damn passive n raising 2pair on that turn is pretty dumb, tbh alot of them wouldnt even raise it even if the str8 didnt come ott

villain imo is repping the str8 ott n rapid is correct to assume he has a str8 ott n then his river sizing but its still not out of the realm of possibility that he has a flush draw n does the same thing & also even if he has a str8 alot of them dont fold so your giving stars more $ in rake when they call n u chop

overall i think you really only fold air in this spot so ide just call the river bet rather than trying to make a fish fold the chop

at first I was like "waaat"

then the more I really think about the play, I actually kind of like it.

FPS ITT.

I love the play if you had the Kd blocker. That said he has a lot more random K's than flushes so if you think he's folding chops then obviously the shove is massively +EV.

Agreed.

I think a common mistake people do on 2+2 is just assume everybody is a fish. Granted rapid should have more hands and history with villain to be doing this.

turn was fantastic