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baby pair with some equity in a MW pot ... baby pair with some equity in a MW pot ...

08-15-2016 , 08:46 PM
Villain is about 20 / 0 with AF=1.0 through about 30 hands.

On the flop, I call since I've got a FD and gut shot (both are weak) as well as my baby pair which gives me reasonable equity against two villains. Flop is very wet and coordinated

I take a stab on the turn since it's checked to me and I've improved to a straight with a FD. With four to a straight on the board, I think he has a J or a better FD or a pair + FD a lot of the time when he calls. If he raises me, it's a snap fold.

On the river I checked behind some I have some SD value and I don't think I can move him off his hand after he calls my turn bet.

Thoughts? Thank you

    IPoker, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $20.90 (209 bb)
    BB: $31.83 (318.3 bb)
    MP1: $4.28 (42.8 bb)
    MP2: $10.53 (105.3 bb)
    MP3: $2.61 (26.1 bb)
    Hero (CO): $9.43 (94.3 bb)
    BTN: $9.70 (97 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 6 6
    MP1 raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.30, BTN folds, SB calls $0.25, BB folds

    Flop: ($1) T 8 9 (3 players)
    SB checks, MP1 bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, SB calls $0.50

    Turn: ($2.50) 7 (3 players)
    SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $2.02, SB calls $2.02, MP1 folds

    River: ($6.54) K (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks

    Spoiler:
    Results: $6.54 pot ($0.32 rake)
    Final Board: T 8 9 7 K
    SB showed 8 J and won $6.22 ($3.40 net)
    Hero mucked 6 6 and lost (-$2.82 net)
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    08-16-2016 , 02:51 AM
    Fold flop...

    Villain is quite passive (although small sample size) and fires this very nasty flop against 2 opponents AND you have SB to act behind you still.

    Your 'outs' are also not that great, to say the least. (This is actually the best you could get, and still you have the bottom end with a 4way to the straight on the board, let alone the possible flopped flush. )

    No need to get into these spots (something I actually tell myself again and again )
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    08-16-2016 , 03:34 AM
    Flop is a fold drawing to the dummy end of two draws
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    08-16-2016 , 04:27 AM
    Yep, fold flop. You seem to be over-playing (and possibly over-thinking) a lot of hands you post on here.
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    08-16-2016 , 10:13 AM
    I agree. The gutter is worthless because you're already dead to QJ and if you hit the 7 you're now dead to Jx. And with 2 villains in the hand you know at least one of them likely has a better diamond than your 6, so your flush outs aren't worth much either.
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    08-16-2016 , 05:04 PM
    i think folding flop is a bit nitty.
    sure we have to proceed with extreme caution but i think we have enough equity to call.
    right now we have no reason to believe SB is interested.
    we have position and we have many ways to win the pot.
    i like the way OP played this overall
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    08-17-2016 , 05:59 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by invinci7777
    i think folding flop is a bit nitty.
    sure we have to proceed with extreme caution but i think we have enough equity to call.
    right now we have no reason to believe SB is interested.
    we have position and we have many ways to win the pot.
    i like the way OP played this overall
    Well, SB checking doesn't mean much as MP1 is the pfr meaning SB might easily wait for him/her to bet.

    Thing is, this is a really marginal hand. Many ways to win the pot? I think that is mainly by bluffing as we most likely don't win by hand strength, or at least can not be confident on that.

    Headsup I wouldn't really mind continuing but with MP1 betting (though quite weak if he has a strong hand on such a board) into 2 players on this board AND SB still to act AND having this marginal hand. Meh, I really don't think folding the flop is nitty at all.
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    08-17-2016 , 06:14 AM
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    Originally Posted by dagrim1
    Well, SB checking doesn't mean much as MP1 is the pfr meaning SB might easily wait for him/her to bet.

    Thing is, this is a really marginal hand. Many ways to win the pot? I think that is mainly by bluffing as we most likely don't win by hand strength, or at least can not be confident on that.

    Headsup I wouldn't really mind continuing but with MP1 betting (though quite weak if he has a strong hand on such a board) into 2 players on this board AND SB still to act AND having this marginal hand. Meh, I really don't think folding the flop is nitty at all.
    Yep, completely agree that a flop fold is not at all nitty. We don't like virtually any run-out on this flop texture.
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    08-18-2016 , 12:57 PM
    Raise it pre or set mine. Stick with your decision, its still a small pp. should not lead to such a tough spot.
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    08-18-2016 , 11:26 PM
    i guess nitty is the wrong word I used.
    definitely fine to fold the flop.

    but calling is fine too imo. we are calling not for implied odds or anything but just to realize our equity
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