?? Do I shove here??





Okay, so in this hand, what do you guys think should be the next move?

Vill is unknown to me, 4 hands played only in zoom.

He opens in UTG and I 3bet him. Pretty standard move. Now he moves to 4 bet me for 28bb over my 9bb 3-bet. He probably puts me on AK, AQ, AJ (Unlikely) 55+ maybe some suited connectors like KQ, QJ, JT...etc in my range.

I call his 4 bet and we see the flop. But at this point he has represented his hands so much that pretty much AA,KK,QQ,JJ,TT,99 and maybe 88+ if he is a maniac?

I know my range on him is too narrow, but what do you guys think? In situations like these - sometimes it does get sticky for me.

Is a shove good in these scenarios?

Fold to the 4bet.

An UTG 4bet range crushes you.

Why are you calling a 3x 4bet when you aren't even 100bb deep and aren't even suited? You don't even have to 3bet.

Snap fold to the 4bet. You don't have reads.

anyone else thats just calling pre?

I'm. Vs most villains, I think we're folding better and getting called by worst

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It's ok for 3bet as bluff only(fold vs 4bet )..I like here for 3 bet bluf and call PRe vs 2bet AQs

I called the 4 bet with intention to shove the flop if it was all low cards which for me is 9 and under.

It is a questionable play for sure but in this scenario, he put in such a large 4bet preflop that seemed to induce a fold yet - just small enough so he still looked like he had fold equity.

But lets look at the hands that have me completely dominated preflop UTG 4bet on. AK, and pairs QQ+, vs 77+, AQ, AJ, KQ? It seemed like a flip which was why I called. I know my hand is not good, but as a move to call/shove flop - do you think this bluff would work enough times to be +EV say if I do this maybe 15% of the time?

4bets are usually QQ+, AK, sometimes even as narrow as KK+, AKs...so unless you've seen V 4bet 77-TT/JJ and AJ with frequency your range assessment is far too wide. His entire range probably has you crushed. It looks like OTF he had AK and you bluffed him off it, which is the best case scenario, but you won't always get people off of AK once they've led into the flop (lots of villains will actually just x/c AK) and you're certainly never getting villains off the rest of that range. This is just lighting money on fire IMO.