have you thought about stopping?

Zoom sharpens your technical skills because you get thrown into more situations vs. players who are slightly better on average than on reg tables and your leaks get exposed more quickly. Also you get to observe how better players play so you can see how they handle situations that trouble you.

Same as any other activity - if you train harder, you get better more quickly.

But ofc if you can bumhunt enough fish to earn what you need and can avoid any tables that are in any way difficult then why bother? It is a valid approach.

I was talking about 100z 6max and no, never.

no, it gets maybe 20-250 entries at best and its really only for about 2 hours, around midnight CET. Outside that small period its dead.

This is some proper next level bull****. Most regs are nits and wtf is 6% pfr vs 2% cc going to teach you? How to fold btm set?

Not to mention that on reg tables there are also regs. Usually 7 of them. Do you think we fold pre if the whale is out?

You must legit be delusional if you think zoom fr is a place where you get better at poker.

oops btw i meant 20-25 entries not 20-250

Talk about delusional. I guess you never played Zoom?

7 weak bumhunting regs on one table? Must be scary.

I have and I know plenty of people who do. You're out of your mind if you think what you're saying is even remotely true. Legit losing the plot.

Right, you saw Zoom regs play 6% PFR if that is true, you should play Zoom and crush it.

Yeah take my exaggeration serious. Point still stands though. Wtf is right ranges vs tight ranges going to teach you?

I'm not joking. You're an actual fool if you think zoom is where you improve as a player.

You can improve your game in both formats, not sure what's the point of this current argument.

The point is that he's a fool to say what he's saying as if it's fact.

oh come on guys are you honestly suggesting that reg tables is even a patch on zoom? reg is just full of mass multitabling bots, weak bumhunters who can't be bothered improving. zoom is a heavenly blend of fast action, seamlessly designed and an ever-changing population that allow you to undergo poker interactions with new players every single hand, just like making new friends in real life, all in a matter of seconds.

i moved to zoom a few weeks ago since i was fed up of reg tables, trust me it changed my life for the better. why are we even having this conversation? there's no comparison - zoom wins!

You were losing at reg tables, moved to zoom, won a few bi and now see it as a new goldmine or something?

I'm not even discussing whether zoom or reg tables are better, I genuinely couldn't care less as zoom simply is not for me, which is lol to say cause I have a sample of well over 100k hands.

Yet the idea that zoom improves you faster/better as a player because, and I quote ''you get thrown into more situations vs. players who are slightly better on average than on reg tables and your leaks get exposed more quickly. Also you get to observe how better players play so you can see how they handle situations that trouble you.'' is simply hilarious.

It's pretty much exactly what someone who plays zoom exclusively would say. Kinda like ''my father is stronger than yours''. No one likes to admit zoom fr is just a bunch of nits set and quadmining.

Yeah it is pretty absurd. Also spewing garbage data on the forum and then backtracking is pretty shameful.

Not to mention regs from regular tables who try Zoom usually get stomped. Hard.

Also the whole tightness argument is completely false, bumhunters are much tighter than Zoom regs because the primary strategy is "find fish, pray to sit on his left, play tight, stack him, run away".

Of course if the fish is something like 80/40 then they maybe expand a bit because they must if they want the $$$. Big whoop. I guess we should be giving out medals?

In Zoom, primary source of income is not only fish (not enough of them + they are tighter) but weak regs who can be exploited.

Not gonna repeat myself a million times. Just stick to your own advice, stop spewing garbage data because you need to the confirmation that what you're playing is ''harder than'' what others play.

The fact you're still defending this all with a straight face is ****ing ******ed.

This was a good laugh though. Doesn't even matter what you put infront of ''are''. It's always going to be funny.

just the ease of use of zoom makes it far easier to play. After all that's one of the reasons people choose pokerstars isn't it? Ease of use and structure. Like obviously people don't pick stars over sites like 888 because of the fishiness of the players...so if you have chosen stars why not utilise the seamless features and structure of the zoom tables, as opposed to awkwardly trying to mass table select constantly and play like a robot without learning anything on the regular tables.

In zoom you are constantly put in tough spots where you are forced to wrestle with very good opponents, which can act as a huge boost to your learning curve as your poker muscles are fueled with newfound energy. Not only that, but the swingy nature of zoom has the effect of a rollercoaster ride. One moment you're down 10 buyins the next moment you're up 10. it's scary, it's thrilling and it's fun! by allowing yourself to experience these swings through zoom, you learn to just enjoy the ride and not fall off the edge (tilt). You build mental strength that can empower you not just in poker, but in life.

The same can not be said for the regular tables. Here the variance is comparably much lower, since essentially you are just passing money back and forth between other bot regs whilst each taking your share of the fish. But the zoom players will end up with the lion's share, as should now be clear to you by now. Zoom regulars strive to be the very best, and ultimately will thrive in the poker ecosystem whilst the bumhunters get left behind.

Less boring chitter chatter, more boring HHs!

First hand a fish (I didn't recognise) with a whale tag from 6 months ago plays

PokerStars - $2 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $202.00
CO: $205.10
BTN: $200.00
SB: $161.00
BB: $216.48
Hero (UTG): $203.00

SB posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $3.00) Hero has A T

Hero raises to $4.94, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $3.94, fold

Flop: ($11.88, 2 players) 5 A K
SB bets $44.00, Hero raises to $198.06 and is all-in, SB calls $112.06 and is all-in

Turn: ($324.00, 2 players) 7

River: ($324.00, 2 players) A

SB shows K 9 (Two Pair, Aces and Kings)
(Pre 34%, Flop 23%, Turn 32%)
Hero shows A T (Three of a Kind, Aces)
(Pre 66%, Flop 77%, Turn 68%)
Hero wins $321.20

The vodka is still flowing through his vains

You turning into a 6max reg now?

At least I can give you a 10/10 for properly taking your time to write all this bull****. Chapeau. Gotta love dedicated stupidity.

Fwiw, I would 100% agree if you guys were playing say 200nl+ 6max fr. But I can't possibly ever take anything you say serious when it's both FR and micro stakes.

Zoom you can pause your other tables when you've got a difficult decision and give it your full and undivided attention or just to take notes. That alone makes it better for learning. Reg tables you can't and gotta spread your attention across 16 tables while making sure those tables stay juicy. Doesn't sound like the best way to improve your game and think carefully about tough spots to me.

And sure zoom is nittier overall. But there are plenty of situations like steal spots where ranges aren't so nitty.

I grind up to 16 tables and can take what I think are very detailed notes. I may not be able to pause tables, but pretty sure the human brain is capable of playing more than 1 hand at the same time without going full mong.


Exactly.

Yeah so how is this different from reg tables? Do you think steal spots are tighter or wider at reg tables? I'll give you a hint. No fastfold button.

That was on a FR table, but I'll mix in a bitta 100z 6max if I'm lacking tables.

Full mong sure, semi mong eh not so sure. From what ive gathered, albeit popsci, human brain sucks horribly at multitasking.

Re zoom vs reg tables, whatever

both regular and zoom are aids. im glad we ended that conversation.