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AJo 3b pot NL 10 AJo 3b pot NL 10

06-30-2015 , 05:17 AM
Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 2737003
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CO: $10.00 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 11, 3B: 3, AF: 1.5, Hands: 584
BTN: $10.00 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 644
Hero (SB): $11.31
BB: $10.10 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 11, 3B: 5, AF: 3.3, Hands: 2394
UTG: $13.36 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 11, 3B: 3, AF: 3.3, Hands: 6032
UTG+1: $10.00 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 8, 3B: 3, AF: 1.5, Hands: 1191
UTG+2: $14.02 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 12, 3B: 1, AF: 2.3, Hands: 213
MP1: $11.39 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 13, 3B: 5, AF: 3.7, Hands: 515
MP2: $13.16 - VPIP: 53, PFR: 9, 3B: 2, AF: 1.0, Hands: 889

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with J A
5 folds, CO raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.90, 1 fold, CO calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.90) 8 5 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.00, CO calls $1

Turn: ($3.90) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.90, Hero calls $1.90

River: ($7.70) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

I guess it's not ok to cb flop. As played call turn?
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06-30-2015 , 08:52 AM
fold pre
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06-30-2015 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by sc24evr
fold pre
But if we fold AJo, with what we 3b?
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06-30-2015 , 10:41 AM
I would bet that turn too much rather than check call.
C/r is also an option there. Matter of taste. By checkcalling turn U are
basically robbing yourself off the chance to bluff the river. U also arent likely to get paid If u hit ur draw - at least not often enough to make up for the call.
Had u bet turn u still could bluff all the K- rivers to name something and get a ton of folds.. By checkcalling u make it easy for villain to play perfectly against u.
3b pre is almost mandatory, unless CO is mothernit.
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06-30-2015 , 11:46 AM
preflop i would advocate making a moderate sized overbet to about $2-2.20. we have two strong blockers and want to maximise our fold equity and force him to muck hands like AQ when he puts us on a really strong range. he looks like a reg so it should work vs him, expect him to give us a lot of credit.

having a balanced preflop overbet strategy with your 3bets is a great way to mix up your game and throw the regs off balance. intimidation is an important technique at the tables since you want players to be afraid of you. you can use this to your advantage and allow your aggression to run them over
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07-01-2015 , 07:37 AM
You can play AJo heads up pretty confidently but I would have called here instead of 3 betting. Just folding is also fine because you are out of position and AJo is pretty bad out of position but I dont mind playing it heads up. Then c betting the flop is fine because its a dry board and you have 2 over pairs and that flop didnt hit a 30 cent bet range very well so it was fairly likely you had the best hand with A high. I definitely would have folded on the turn after his raise because it appears the villain either hit something on the flop or had a pocket pair, but its also possible he had like AK and was just trying to push you out of the pot, so I would have either done another c bet or check folded. But since he then checked back on the river makes me think he must not have had anything that good so maybe a small pair or AK? What motto said makes sense but it sounds pretty ballsy.

Last edited by The_Reginald; 07-01-2015 at 07:42 AM.
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07-01-2015 , 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Die Nadel
But if we fold AJo, with what we 3b?
3b with AK AQ AA KK QQ JJ maybe 1010 and suited connectors. AJo is just meh from early position
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07-01-2015 , 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by mottotom27
preflop i would advocate making a moderate sized overbet to about $2-2.20. we have two strong blockers and want to maximise our fold equity and force him to muck hands like AQ when he puts us on a really strong range. he looks like a reg so it should work vs him, expect him to give us a lot of credit.

having a balanced preflop overbet strategy with your 3bets is a great way to mix up your game and throw the regs off balance. intimidation is an important technique at the tables since you want players to be afraid of you. you can use this to your advantage and allow your aggression to run them over
Nothing says intimidation like leaving the table after winning one buy in.
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07-01-2015 , 11:40 AM
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07-01-2015 , 01:00 PM
If you plan on 3-betting there make it bigger at least. You are in sb and they are in position.
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07-01-2015 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BeCoolOrGetOut
If you plan on 3-betting there make it bigger at least. You are in sb and they are in position.
Ok, I will add an extra blind when 3 betting OOP.

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I would bet that turn too much rather than check call.
How big should be the bet on the turn? 2-2.2 $?
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07-01-2015 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BeCoolOrGetOut
If you plan on 3-betting there make it bigger at least. You are in sb and they are in position.
Why would he make it bigger when I think we can agree that this is basically re-steal? Making it bigger looks to me that we make ourselves more troubles on flop when we ussually missed and have to put then more money to push villian out. I think 3x do the same magic as 4x

And according to hand I would rather choose to call preflop and play it postflop unless villian would have really big F3B

Last edited by Pantao140; 07-01-2015 at 04:21 PM. Reason: wanted to add info
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07-01-2015 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Pantao140
Why would he make it bigger when I think we can agree that this is basically re-steal? Making it bigger looks to me that we make ourselves more troubles on flop when we ussually missed and have to put then more money to push villian out. I think 3x do the same magic as 4x

And according to hand I would rather choose to call preflop and play it postflop unless villian would have really big F3B
I agree. Also, you are better off making this move with 98s than with AJo. At least then you have some multiway hand equity. Personally I avoid playing AJo out of position as I can find better spots to put my money in. Even the best players still have -EV when playing from the blinds, usually they just try to minimize the loss.
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07-01-2015 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sc24evr
fold pre
Not really.

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Originally Posted by mottotom27
preflop i would advocate making a moderate sized overbet to about $2-2.20. we have two strong blockers and want to maximise our fold equity and force him to muck hands like AQ when he puts us on a really strong range. he looks like a reg so it should work vs him, expect him to give us a lot of credit.

having a balanced preflop overbet strategy with your 3bets is a great way to mix up your game and throw the regs off balance. intimidation is an important technique at the tables since you want players to be afraid of you. you can use this to your advantage and allow your aggression to run them over
I think it's all good fun that you're trolling people in threads where it doesn't matter much. But in these threads, where 1, OP is asking for serious advice and 2, OP may not realize you're a troll. You shouldn't troll.

So stop being a dick, and stop handing out dog**** advice.

I'd just triple this. Nutflush blocker etc etc.
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07-01-2015 , 11:03 PM
yes boss..ok my "good" advice is to bet turn. also if i was in the BB i would flat pre, but i like 3bet from SB
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07-02-2015 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Mzbourg
Not really.



I think it's all good fun that you're trolling people in threads where it doesn't matter much. But in these threads, where 1, OP is asking for serious advice and 2, OP may not realize you're a troll. You shouldn't troll.

So stop being a dick, and stop handing out dog**** advice.

I'd just triple this. Nutflush blocker etc etc.
Yeah listen to this guy. Keep playing AJo out of position from the blinds. Bet 3 streets too even if you only have TPTK. I'll be waiting on the button pedaling the nuts....

AJo is a marginal hand from the blinds preflop, it would be better to raise 98s here from he blinds than it is for the AJo. What types of flops will you be comfortable betting into? If the flop comes A Q 4 raindbow and you bet and he calls, turn is 3, you bet he calls. Now what? are you ahead, are you behind? Does he have a draw? who knows. If vil has you beat he will continue and if he does'nt he will fold. You may as well turn your hand face up.

However, if you had 98s you have substantially more river equity so that if the flop comes strong you can even crack aces. With AJo your hand will not likely improve by much from the flop to river but with 98s you can tell quickly if you have the potential to hit a monster by the river or not.
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07-02-2015 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by sc24evr
Yeah listen to this guy. Keep playing AJo out of position from the blinds. Bet 3 streets too even if you only have TPTK. I'll be waiting on the button pedaling the nuts....

AJo is a marginal hand from the blinds preflop, it would be better to raise 98s here from he blinds than it is for the AJo. What types of flops will you be comfortable betting into? If the flop comes A Q 4 raindbow and you bet and he calls, turn is 3, you bet he calls. Now what? are you ahead, are you behind? Does he have a draw? who knows. If vil has you beat he will continue and if he does'nt he will fold. You may as well turn your hand face up.

However, if you had 98s you have substantially more river equity so that if the flop comes strong you can even crack aces. With AJo your hand will not likely improve by much from the flop to river but with 98s you can tell quickly if you have the potential to hit a monster by the river or not.
Lol okay.
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07-02-2015 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by sc24evr
Yeah listen to this guy. Keep playing AJo out of position from the blinds. Bet 3 streets too even if you only have TPTK. I'll be waiting on the button pedaling the nuts....

AJo is a marginal hand from the blinds preflop, it would be better to raise 98s here from he blinds than it is for the AJo. What types of flops will you be comfortable betting into? If the flop comes A Q 4 raindbow and you bet and he calls, turn is 3, you bet he calls. Now what? are you ahead, are you behind? Does he have a draw? who knows. If vil has you beat he will continue and if he does'nt he will fold. You may as well turn your hand face up.

However, if you had 98s you have substantially more river equity so that if the flop comes strong you can even crack aces. With AJo your hand will not likely improve by much from the flop to river but with 98s you can tell quickly if you have the potential to hit a monster by the river or not.
yea you hit the nail on the head there. this was exactly what he meant
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07-02-2015 , 10:36 PM
If a guy is opening 25%+ how is folding aj pre a good idea? You're doing so well against his range
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07-03-2015 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by mottotom27
yea you hit the nail on the head there. this was exactly what he meant
I was really closing to taking the time to explain myself to him. But genuinely cba.
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07-03-2015 , 03:03 PM
you just said "lol okay" so i assumed you weren't going to
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07-03-2015 , 04:05 PM
Flat AJo here. Does ****ty vs his continuing range as he's probably folding AT-, and likely mucking the offsuit versions of KJ/QJ/JT. I think if you want to 3-bet AJ that 3-betting smaller is the way to go to get those offsuit hands to call.

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Originally Posted by Die Nadel
But if we fold AJo, with what we 3b?
Our value range here should be like JJ+/AK against this villain as he may be mucking AJ to a 3-bet depending on how he sees you and how he views the c/o vs sb dynamic so even w/AQ you're not dominating anything. And of course we're 3-betting hands that are bluffs which are hands that are barely not good enough to call (J9s/78s/etc...some like to 3-bet small pps (I do but many do not)) but don't 3-bet hands oop that are dominated by a calling range (QJ/JT/etc).
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07-04-2015 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
Flat AJo here. Does ****ty vs his continuing range as he's probably folding AT-, and likely mucking the offsuit versions of KJ/QJ/JT. I think if you want to 3-bet AJ that 3-betting smaller is the way to go to get those offsuit hands to call.



Our value range here should be like JJ+/AK against this villain as he may be mucking AJ to a 3-bet depending on how he sees you and how he views the c/o vs sb dynamic so even w/AQ you're not dominating anything. And of course we're 3-betting hands that are bluffs which are hands that are barely not good enough to call (J9s/78s/etc...some like to 3-bet small pps (I do but many do not)) but don't 3-bet hands oop that are dominated by a calling range (QJ/JT/etc).
And the postflop plan? When u hit and dominate u might get 2 streets tops. When u miss? When u get triple barreled on Axx? or Jxx? Just keep flatting there and bleeding money. Everyone so concerened about being dominated.
After all If u 3bet ur AK but flat AJ ur range will always be capped post and LAG with strong fundamentals will make u feel lost and calling for mommy once u face a 2nd or 3rd barrel(possibly overbet).

U get owned when u miss, u get owned on Axx, Kxx type of boards and u get owned on 97x type as well since u dont connect with these at all (if u 3bet sc).
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07-04-2015 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Oro_Ja_Njivu
After all If u 3bet ur AK but flat AJ ur range will always be capped post and LAG with strong fundamentals will make u feel lost and calling for mommy once u face a 2nd or 3rd barrel(possibly overbet)
true and mommy doesn't always come to the rescue, and when she does, she often dies trying to save you
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07-04-2015 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Oro_Ja_Njivu
And the postflop plan? When u hit and dominate u might get 2 streets tops. When u miss? When u get triple barreled on Axx? or Jxx? Just keep flatting there and bleeding money. Everyone so concerened about being dominated.
After all If u 3bet ur AK but flat AJ ur range will always be capped post and LAG with strong fundamentals will make u feel lost and calling for mommy once u face a 2nd or 3rd barrel(possibly overbet).

U get owned when u miss, u get owned on Axx, Kxx type of boards and u get owned on 97x type as well since u dont connect with these at all (if u 3bet sc).
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