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AA ... would you call this river? AA ... would you call this river?

07-26-2016 , 09:04 PM
Hello. Villain seems like a moderate recreational player. Hasn't shown anything down yet this session. VPIP / PFR = 31 / 8 so he is somewhat loose and definitely on the passive side.

Thoughts his river bet? Would you call or fold?

Certainly, as he's called down two streets and now is leading out on the river (and is generally a passive player), he has something that he likes. Would love your thoughts on this river.

Thank you!

    IPoker, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BB: $8.35 (83.5 bb)
    UTG+2: $5.87 (58.7 bb)
    MP1: $14.84 (148.4 bb)
    MP2: $7.26 (72.6 bb)
    Hero (MP3): $10.25 (102.5 bb)
    CO: $15.90 (159 bb)
    BTN: $13.18 (131.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A A
    UTG+2 calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.20

    Flop: ($0.70) 3 J 3 (2 players)
    UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $0.35, UTG+2 calls $0.35

    Turn: ($1.40) J (2 players)
    UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $0.70, UTG+2 calls $0.70

    River: ($2.80) 9 (2 players)
    UTG+2 bets $1.40, Hero calls $1.40

    Spoiler:
    Results: $5.60 pot ($0.28 rake)
    Final Board: 3 J 3 J 9
    UTG+2 showed J Q and won $5.32 ($2.57 net)
    Hero mucked A A and lost (-$2.75 net)
    AA ... would you call this river? Quote
    07-26-2016 , 10:46 PM
    It's okay for that price. Sometimes this is nines or tens trying to value bet vs. AK.

    I usually check turn with my whole range, especially with the Ace of hearts. The reason being the J-high board (same with Q-high and to a certain extent K-high boards) often hits the limp-calling range. You typically don't have to fear the flush draw because these players are not the type to float turn with only backdoor equity.

    Also, think about the limp-calling range. They're not comfortable playing QJ/AJ and KQ from early position, so don't raise, but they'll never fold preflop. This is especially true for recreational players who love these hands to death and will get married to them. They're pretty, they read all sorts of strategy articles on how to play them, and their interpretation is to limp them preflop and try to play small pots in fit-or-fold fashion. This point makes it hard to get 3 streets of value vs. pocket pairs. So turn goes check-check, then most of the time he will bet $.70 and you can call it. Or if he checks, get your second street of value vs. pocket pairs on the river.
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    07-27-2016 , 04:49 AM
    Fold. Don't see what he can possibly have that doesn't beat us. He's not value donking his mid pocket pairs here. I think it's played fine prior to river, turn can be a check and then river a call.
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    07-27-2016 , 09:00 AM
    River is a clear fold for me.
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    07-27-2016 , 09:47 AM
    Bet larger on the flop, my default is 3/4 pot.

    I'm fine with the second bullet on the turn because you will get value from 44-TT on that board.

    River I think you're probably beaten but I'd likely look him up anyway. Consider it paying for information.
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    07-27-2016 , 10:05 AM
    Check call on flop, check call on turn, Donk lead for value = clear fold to me.
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    07-27-2016 , 10:09 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by recondite7
    Check call on flop, check call on turn, Donk lead for value = clear fold to me.
    We can't check-call, we are in position. And for me this is about as obvious a cbet as it gets.
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    07-27-2016 , 12:10 PM
    I think he's describing villain's line
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    07-27-2016 , 12:20 PM
    Aaaaah ok. In that case apologies and agreed!
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    07-31-2016 , 12:57 AM
    I figure by the end there's a lot of BW's in that range with JACKS that have you beat. A3s combos if he's loose are blocked mostly by your cards plus board, so I think that this line could easily be fishy and be just some other pair and he just assumes the two paired board hasn't hit you either and he could get you off here; if he's moderate like you said he could be smart enough to know he can bank on his image here. I'm probably paying off here
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    07-31-2016 , 01:00 AM
    Actually sometimes I will sometimes I won't. Depends on other things; like what I've seen him do in other spots.
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    07-31-2016 , 01:02 AM
    JQ suited. Yep lol, that's the exact hand haha
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