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07-27-2014 , 02:15 PM
I am not sure about this one.
Oppo is 23/9/8, do you think it's an easy fold?

Many thanks in advance for any answer!


    Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #29198971

    CO: $4.80 (240 bb)
    BTN: $2.18 (109 bb)
    Hero (SB): $2.42 (121 bb)
    BB: $2.29 (114.5 bb)
    MP1: $2 (100 bb)
    MP2: $2.63 (131.5 bb)
    MP3: $1.88 (94 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A A
    MP1 raises to $0.06, 3 folds, BTN calls $0.06, Hero raises to $0.23, BB folds, MP1 calls $0.17, BTN calls $0.17

    Flop: ($0.71) T 9 K (3 players)
    Hero bets $0.34, MP1 folds, BTN raises to $1.95 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.61

    Turn: ($4.61) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: ($4.61) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $4.61 pot ($0.25 rake)
    Final Board: T 9 K 4 5
    BTN showed Q J and won $4.36 ($2.18 net)
    Hero showed A A and lost (-$2.18 net)
    MP1 mucked and lost (-$0.23 net)



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    07-27-2014 , 02:59 PM
    I'd raise more pre-flop. Opponent appears to be on the loose passive side and you'll be out of position post-flop.

    I'd let it go on the flop. There's so much out there that beats you. Even if villain is semi-bluffing he's still going to have a lot of equity.
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    07-27-2014 , 03:38 PM
    I'm never folding this
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    07-27-2014 , 04:38 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TimothyVdp1
    I'm never folding this
    Why is it not a surprise that you are never folding this? You've been around since 2008, have you never had this spot come up, put it on Stove and realise your call is ****ing dreadful vs villains total range?



    We need 35% to break-even here, and I what ever I add to that range, we're just not getting it.
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    07-27-2014 , 04:45 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TimothyVdp1
    I'm never folding this
    InB4 "oh i thought hero has AhAx".
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    07-27-2014 , 04:46 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dovidiu
    InB4 "Herpderppotato it's AA can't fold AA".
    Fyp cutie
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    07-28-2014 , 01:23 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TimothyVdp1
    I'm never folding this
    Cool advice bro
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    07-28-2014 , 03:01 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mzbourg
    Why is it not a surprise that you are never folding this? You've been around since 2008, have you never had this spot come up, put it on Stove and realise your call is ****ing dreadful vs villains total range?



    We need 35% to break-even here, and I what ever I add to that range, we're just not getting it.
    why are you getting personal in every post? It's not because we disagree you have to start "insulting" (or try to) and use **** in every sentence. Lifetip: if you react like this, get to the source of the problem or frustration (hint: it's not my 4.5words in my previous post)

    Aside from this unnecessary stuff in your post and in this one above this line:

    We need 35% if we throw in some numbers we have:
    ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
    58,410 trials (Exhaustive)
    board: KT9
    Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
    AcAd33.78% 19,0141,431
    TT,99,KxQ,KxJh,JhTx,Tx9x,QJ, KxTx, QhQ, AhTx, Ah9x, AhQx, AxQh66.22% 37,9651,431

    so apparently we don't have it but it's close. I'm still not folding this @2NL (I'm not saying I'm happy to click call but w/e) because people spaz, it's the micro's and people don't play perfectly.
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    07-28-2014 , 06:39 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TimothyVdp1
    why are you getting personal in every post? It's not because we disagree you have to start "insulting" (or try to) and use **** in every sentence. Lifetip: if you react like this, get to the source of the problem or frustration (hint: it's not my 4.5words in my previous post)

    Aside from this unnecessary stuff in your post and in this one above this line:

    We need 35% if we throw in some numbers we have:
    ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
    58,410 trials (Exhaustive)
    board: KT9
    Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
    AcAd33.78% 19,0141,431
    TT,99,KxQ,KxJh,JhTx,Tx9x,QJ, KxTx, QhQ, AhTx, Ah9x, AhQx, AxQh66.22% 37,9651,431

    so apparently we don't have it but it's close. I'm still not folding this @2NL (I'm not saying I'm happy to click call but w/e) because people spaz, it's the micro's and people don't play perfectly.
    Nothing personal, just surprising someone who joined in 2008 still fails to play such standard spots.

    Quote:
    people don't play perfectly.
    lol, even with the range you gave him, I don't know what range that is as you got 8% more equity than mine it's still NOT a call. How ever you are still calling.

    Last edited by Mzbourg; 07-28-2014 at 06:53 AM.
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    07-28-2014 , 07:22 AM
    Still no reason to start being insulting. Of course you can disagree with me but we are all human beings and the least we can do is stay friendly if there's no reason not to.

    Not that it matters but I joined in 2008 when I was a noob, played a lot of poker up to early 2011. I managed to be a regular at NL100-200 but I was young and stupid back then.
    Only just picked up the game again by depositing 50$ on stars and starting over at NL2. Currently at NL10 and hope to be smarter this time around.

    If I am ever wrong or say something stupid, I don't mind being called out but at least act friendly and start a discussion or give arguments instead of insults. We're all here to help eachother out, no?

    Back to the hand:
    I'm little over 1% short to call with the range I give him. This range makes sense but does not account for spaz/bluffs. Hence I call.

    Also: take another look at your range. Some hands are not possible and should be removed.
    imo you gave him a bit too strong of a range (too many made flushes/straights/sets) and I think that's where the difference is. I gave him more semibluffing weaker hands.

    Not saying fold is bad, just saying I'm not folding this at NL2. If it was a good regular (and with those stats, he's not) it's a totally different post and we can comfortably fold AA here.
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    07-28-2014 , 07:37 AM
    Equilab doesn't understand blocked hands so when I write Ahkx it just takes all combos. But I removed them and the percentage is the same.

    I don't see why we should give a relatively passive player pre spazzes or semibluffs. Not to mention I did give him semibluffs, all the naked Ah combos. I even added Ah7x just so it's only the naked flushdraw.

    They are not going to be randomly spazzing/bluffing on a board this wet and connected and therefore I think it's a fairly standard fold.
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    07-28-2014 , 07:40 AM
    I'm sorry to say this, but your range is too wide even for a fish. If you can't even break even in this spot we are most definitely folding. If it's a reg his range doesn't have enough semi bluffs in it for it to be close either.

    Personally the problem here is the bet, you shouldn't be betting here. You should be considering xf or xc not betting at all. We have like 60% at best on anything he continues with and we're usually behind, near dead or dead.

    Personally I might just xf here as there's so many turns we just fold if we xc one street anyways.
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    07-28-2014 , 09:51 AM
    b/f is fine, should be pretty similar to xc or even xf.
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    07-28-2014 , 06:01 PM
    Snap fold flop. One of the worst possible boards for you.
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    07-28-2014 , 06:28 PM
    World record for fastest fold ever...
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