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5NL JJ flop fold to nitty? 5NL JJ flop fold to nitty?

02-02-2017 , 11:13 AM
Just curious what some regs think of this flop fold. I'm just getting back into poker after a few years away so not sure if this is standard or not. My read was that min raise/4bet over my raise screams AA\KK maybe QQ and then the shove on flop kind of confirmed it for me. Prob an easy spot but just want to hear what others have to say, thanks!


    IPoker, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BB: $5.19 (103.8 bb)
    UTG+1: $7.91 (158.2 bb)
    UTG+2: $2.83 (56.6 bb)
    Hero (MP1): $4.93 (98.6 bb)
    MP2: $3.93 (78.6 bb)
    MP3: $8.37 (167.4 bb)
    CO: $0.91 (18.2 bb)
    BTN: $9.56 (191.2 bb)
    SB: $1.66 (33.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J J
    UTG+1 raises to $0.10, UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to $0.45, 2 folds, CO calls $0.45, 3 folds, UTG+1 raises to $1.87, Hero calls $1.42, CO calls $0.46 and is all-in

    Flop: ($4.72) 8 T 6 (3 players, 1 is all-in)
    UTG+1 bets $6.04 and is all-in, Hero folds

    Turn: ($4.72) 7 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: ($4.72) J (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $4.72 pot ($0.23 rake)
    Final Board: 8 T 6 7 J
    UTG+1 showed A A :: :: and won $1.83 (-$0.04 net)
    Hero mucked J J and lost (-$1.87 net)
    CO showed 8 8 :: :: and won $2.66 ($1.75 net)
    5NL JJ flop fold to nitty? Quote
    02-02-2017 , 12:21 PM
    CO complicates this a little but I'm likely folding to the 4B pre.
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    02-02-2017 , 07:29 PM
    Calling the 4-bet is ok since you're in postion. Now you have an overpair on the flop but with the 4-bet preflop, your opponent is likely to have a good hand here, JJ+,AKo,AKs so I wouldn't be happy for now. Then UTG+1 shove, the only real hands he could have here is QQ+ because you block jacks or AK of spades which are all hands you're behind right now and with the odds offered, im getting out of there real fast. Over all you played the hand the best you could. Keep it up!

    *This is my opinion and therefore I could be wrong.*
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    02-03-2017 , 04:41 AM
    See no stats, so it's difficult to say for sure. You should definitely fold flop here, but should you call 4bet pre? UTG+1 range is tight. It's a 3way pot. So UTG+1 is strong. But his raise from UTG+1 was too small (2bb), so maybe he is a fish?

    I think 75% folding pre on his 4bet. Fold flop as played.
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    02-03-2017 , 05:47 AM
    Even if utg is fishy, the minraise is still so often AA/KK.
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    02-03-2017 , 03:57 PM
    Fold pre
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    02-03-2017 , 06:25 PM
    Folding the flop with an overpair and a SPR of 0.6(!) is insane. If you even thought for a second about folding then your call pre was a massive mistake.

    You say your read is that he probably has AA/KK. So what exactly are you doing preflop? Putting in over a third of your stack pre to try and hit a set? That's not a good idea.

    Last edited by Useful_Idiot; 02-03-2017 at 06:26 PM. Reason: The most interesting part of the hand is whether we should be 3betting an UTG minraise in the first place...
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