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06-19-2017 , 02:39 AM

onetrueyam

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Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 30

partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 84.8 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 8)
Hero (SB): 139.8 BB
BB: 165 BB (VPIP: 21.37, PFR: 18.80, 3Bet Preflop: 8.89, Hands: 118)
UTG: 125.6 BB (VPIP: 17.25, PFR: 12.97, 3Bet Preflop: 4.63, Hands: 651)
MP: 86.4 BB (VPIP: 33.77, PFR: 10.39, 3Bet Preflop: 3.28, Hands: 156)
CO: 211.4 BB (VPIP: 28.79, PFR: 21.12, 3Bet Preflop: 7.17, Hands: 597)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3.4 BB, BB raises to 10.2 BB, Hero raises to 34 BB, BB raises to 63 BB, Hero raises to 139.8 BB and is all-in, BB calls 76.8 BB

Flop: (279.6 BB, 2 players) K

Turn: (279.6 BB, 2 players) T

River: (279.6 BB, 2 players) 6

Bad? Good? Meh? Do we flat the 3bet? Don't like playing it OOP w/ QQ in 3bet pot. Do we flat the 4bet? If he's getting it in QQ+ AK+ we have 40 percent equity, which seems reasonable.

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06-19-2017 , 02:42 AM

Mohsen

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Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 773

Bvb agaisnt an aggressive opponent, get it in and be happy.
You might run into top side of his range, but overall you're OK imo.

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06-19-2017 , 03:37 AM

whitemares

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Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 5,762

I'd be pretty comfortable with stacking off here if it weren't for the dreaded min 5bet.

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06-19-2017 , 03:59 AM

Rikk

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I think the 4bet sizing is too big and you can't really fold after that. Might be able to 4b fold for 140bbs with reads otherwise.

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06-19-2017 , 04:32 AM

.isolated

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Originally Posted by whitemares

I'd be pretty comfortable with stacking off here if it weren't for the dreaded min 5bet.

Every single time I face this, I pause because it's AA nearly every single time. Even when I have KK, I think about folding. I'm way happier calling a shove than a min5b.

As for the hand: 4-bet is way too big.

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Don't like playing it OOP w/ QQ in 3bet pot.

Why would you not like playing a premium hand OOP in a 3bp? It's better than most of the hands we should have in this spot. Not that I'm advocating flatting the 3-bet but your thinking needs work. We're 4-betting for value because we think we're ahead of his range, not because we're avoiding playing OOP with a premium hand.

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If he's getting it in QQ+ AK+ we have 40 percent equity, which seems reasonable.

It seems reasonable, but have you done the math to see if it's good?

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06-19-2017 , 04:37 AM

siziono

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Yeah at NL5 it's AA almost everytime. I don't think I'm folding BvB though. Maybe I'd adopt the strategy of flatting all continuing hand to the min 5 to punish ******s who do this with AK (Yes they exist).

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06-19-2017 , 08:41 AM

Rewdzx

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Originally Posted by whitemares

I'd be pretty comfortable with stacking off here if it weren't for the dreaded min 5bet.

+1 to this. he really is telling u he has AA here, and you shouldn't need to gii and lose a stack to figure this out IMO. Trust your logic in this spot and let it go. Disclaimer: This is only when the min 5bettor has otherwise semi-normal stats. I'm not folding when a 53/30 min5bets. Gl!

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06-19-2017 , 10:09 AM

Mohsen

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Originally Posted by siziono

I've seen them too. And they are not rare to find as well!

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06-19-2017 , 11:25 AM

Fish-And-Chips

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GII

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06-19-2017 , 11:39 AM

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Alci

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Originally Posted by siziono

Flatting the 3B when they have AK is not an exploit, it's a leak.

100bbs I'm GII 100% of the time. Being 140bbs deep may change things? I'd agree that this is KK+ like every time. I will say that Friday I caught somebody 5B shoving 9Ts which was a huge surprise, but that was the only time I remember somebody shoving that light. If villain has AK in range, calling off probably will not show a profit over time. Even if villain has 9T,89s,JTs in range calling off is just BE. I don't think calling off in this spot is profitable. If you're going to be committed after the 4B, bet larger to lay better odds on the call.

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06-19-2017 , 11:43 AM

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siziono

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Originally Posted by Alci

I said 5b not 3b. It's only a leak when u start overflatting. Still better than shoving and have him call perfectly.

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06-19-2017 , 02:17 PM

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Alci

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So flatting the 5B with ~ 1/2 our eff. stack and allow AK to freeroll the flop to realize his flop equity 100% of the time is the exploit? The 3B flat is preferable to this.

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06-19-2017 , 02:29 PM

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spinandno

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EZ shove, min reraise != AA guys. Comon.

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06-19-2017 , 02:37 PM

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Haizemberg93

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I would just flat 140bb deep,maybe its ok to stack off QQ SBvsBB when you are BB so you put last bet,but form SB.I dont get this argument of letting AK see a free flop he is not going to fold AK any way.

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06-19-2017 , 04:53 PM

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Mohsen

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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93

If he's not folding AK anyway, so why not shove pre?
16AKs and only 12 AA and KK.
I'll take that all day everyday.
Even 140BB deep. And I dont beleive AK is going to fold pre BvB either, so I'm getting it in almost 99% of the time(unless v is well known nit)
I even get in JJ here agaisnt someone with reads as well(tendency to call my shoves light, and beleive me regs do in acr 10NL with 88 and 77 a lot!!!)

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