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Old 05-24-2012, 04:04 PM   #1
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50nl zoom set of kings deep facing turn raise

villain is 24/19/21.2 , 0 fold to 3 bet

Can i bet/fold turn?





    Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12967962

    BTN: $71.49 (143 bb)
    SB: $50 (100 bb)
    Hero (BB): $210.33 (420.7 bb)
    UTG+1: $50 (100 bb)
    UTG+2: $25 (50 bb)
    MP1: $29.02 (58 bb)
    MP2: $84.54 (169.1 bb)
    MP3: $62.72 (125.4 bb)
    CO: $55.56 (111.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K K
    3 folds, MP2 raises to $1.25, MP3 calls $1.25, 3 folds, Hero raises to $5.25, MP2 calls $4, MP3 calls $4

    Flop: ($16) K A 5 (3 players)
    Hero bets $10, MP2 calls $10, MP3 folds

    Turn: ($36) Q (2 players)
    Hero bets $27, MP2 raises to $54, Hero raises to $195.08 and is all-in, MP2 calls $15.29

    River: ($174.58) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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    Old 05-24-2012, 04:09 PM   #2
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    Re: 50nl zoom set of kings deep facing turn raise

    3bet can be bigger. No, you can't b/f the turn. nh
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    Old 05-24-2012, 05:23 PM   #3
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    Re: 50nl zoom set of kings deep facing turn raise

    can he really have anything but a flush though?
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    Old 05-24-2012, 05:26 PM   #4
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    Re: 50nl zoom set of kings deep facing turn raise

    no but the pot is too large to fold even if you know he has a flush
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    Old 05-24-2012, 06:05 PM   #5
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    Re: 50nl zoom set of kings deep facing turn raise

    ok so i am ok to go broke here?
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    Old 05-24-2012, 06:08 PM   #6
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    Re: 50nl zoom set of kings deep facing turn raise

    i guess, go bigger preflop, then bigger on teh flop too, especially with weaker players involved
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    Old 05-24-2012, 06:29 PM   #7
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    Re: 50nl zoom set of kings deep facing turn raise

    sorry am i missing sth? assuming the minraise=aI we have to call 42 to win 132 or 3,1:1 but just have 10 outs to improve or 3,6:1. Or is my math wrong?
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    Old 05-24-2012, 07:54 PM   #8
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    Re: 50nl zoom set of kings deep facing turn raise

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    sorry am i missing sth? assuming the minraise=aI we have to call 42 to win 132 or 3,1:1 but just have 10 outs to improve or 3,6:1. Or is my math wrong?
    In this particular case he has 9 outs since the Jc gives V the nuts, but in more general terms yes.
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    Old 05-24-2012, 08:14 PM   #9
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    Re: 50nl zoom set of kings deep facing turn raise

    its def a cooler & pre and flop should of been bigger which would not even make this much of a spot for you.... stacks are kind of awkward though but yea cant fold here, obv we hate when he raises but were pot committed
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    Old 05-25-2012, 09:44 AM   #10
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    Re: 50nl zoom set of kings deep facing turn raise

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    In this particular case he has 9 outs since the Jc gives V the nuts, but in more general terms yes.
    [ ] knows the outs system
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    Old 05-25-2012, 10:33 AM   #11
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    Re: 50nl zoom set of kings deep facing turn raise

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    no but the pot is too large to fold even if you know he has a flush
    we're getting just over 3:1 on our shove and we're 5:1 to hit so some simple math says if you know he has a flush you should fold.
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    Old 05-25-2012, 12:38 PM   #12
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    we're getting just over 3:1 on our shove and we're 5:1 to hit so some simple math says if you know he has a flush you should fold.
    Incorrect. We have 10 outs to a boat/quads, there are 46 cards left, our odds of winning (except against a royal flush) are 3.6:1.

    Also, what combinations of two clubs could the villain have here? The ace, king and queen of clubs are all on the board. The best hand that makes a flush here is JcTc for a royal flush, would the villain really raise and call a 3-bet with that?

    If you ask me, QQ is also possible. It seems much more logical to raise/call with preflop. Of course, the flop call would be questionable but certainly no more so than raising/calling JTs pre.

    Based on our pot odds, if there is any real chance that the villain has a worse hand (and I think there is) then we must call (or shove, rather).

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    Old 05-25-2012, 02:42 PM   #13
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    Re: 50nl zoom set of kings deep facing turn raise

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    Incorrect. We have 10 outs to a boat/quads, there are 46 cards left, our odds of winning (except against a royal flush) are 3.6:1.

    Also, what combinations of two clubs could the villain have here? The ace, king and queen of clubs are all on the board. The best hand that makes a flush here is JcTc for a royal flush, would the villain really raise and call a 3-bet with that?

    If you ask me, QQ is also possible. It seems much more logical to raise/call with preflop. Of course, the flop call would be questionable but certainly no more so than raising/calling JTs pre.

    Based on our pot odds, if there is any real chance that the villain has a worse hand (and I think there is) then we must call (or shove, rather).

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    r/c JTs pre seems standard
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    Old 05-25-2012, 03:27 PM   #14
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    Re: 50nl zoom set of kings deep facing turn raise

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    If you ask me, QQ is also possible. It seems much more logical to raise/call with preflop. Of course, the flop call would be questionable but certainly no more so than raising/calling JTs pre.

    Based on our pot odds, if there is any real chance that the villain has a worse hand (and I think there is) then we must call (or shove, rather).

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    na, he´s folding QQ on this flop and mp3 still to act. AK, mayyyybe AQ (if villain is bad) and a flush.

    folding pre would be bad 170bb deep (and the chance that mp3 is joining as well) imo
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