If you're going to play these kinds of hand preflop, this is exactly the kind of thing we shoud be doing postflop. Playing these kinds of hands then playing fit-or-fold is just going to burn a ton of money in the long run.

Pretty sure that no one is really gonna argue with you on that. But that doesnt change the fact that Hero was doing it readless...cause when we are bluffing our stack away we really need villain to fold those 99-JJ type of hands. Villain did not fold those hands and also Hero did not mention that he had a read that he can get villain to fold on the river.

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As mentioned before I'm with isolated on folding pre. Besides us having no read most flops where we hit a pair there are two overs and we cant really call the flop anyways and also if one of the blinds and the fish calls pre (which will happen kinda often IMO) there is already over $8 in the pot. At best we flop a draw but since the pot is already so huge we can either get it in on the flop (and being behind like always when called) or we can just call the flop but we have to fold on the turn umimproved cause we simply dont have the odds to call again anymore.

If we don't have any reads, then a strong argument can be made for playing a GTO strategy. And depending on whether or not, the Villain slowplays 66, QJ, QK, or is supposed to call with JJ, then this hand is almost surely correctly in our bluffing range. To put it another way, if the Villain is calling down too lightly, then although we're losing some money with our bluffs, we're making much more money with our value hands.

Assuming the reg is isolating the fish pretty wide, I think that calling and raising are both probably +EV. We aren't making money calling people down, we are making money when we make a strong hand and the Villain calls us down too light.

If vilain is calling down too light, you stop bluffing and you value bet wider and thinner vs him.

Depend on what you mean by readless.

I was able to put him on almost exactly what he had, a middle pair 88-JJ and I tought the river was a very good card to get a fold from these hands and was blocking a nutted hand. Also, I think that by default, most of the TAGs will fold TT-JJ in this spot, unless I have a very loose and aggro image or they have some kind of reads.

I think that my assumptions were pretty reasonable, now I have a read that vilain seems to be bluff catching wider vs me, next time I will adjust my range.

I know the "readless don't to it" argument, but I am not sure it applies here considering the arguments stated above. For me it would probably apply in closer situations, where I am trying to make vilain fold an over pair in 3 bet pot for example or a strong hand in a very specific situation.

You missed the point which is that a Villain can't exploit you by calling with JJ in this spot, since this hand is at the top of our bluffing range.

While its not the correct exploitative line, we were read less so it made sense to play the hand this way.