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I am conistently losing at 25nl, here are my stats. I am conistently losing at 25nl, here are my stats.

10-30-2008 , 12:29 AM
Hello, I currently play 25nl, mainly 9 handed, sometimes 6 max but not very often. Anyways, in the last 3 days, I have experienced a 15 buyin loss at 25nl. And this began actually right after I tightened up my play considerably, which makes this even more baffling for me. Also, whenever I lose a buyin, I keep track on paper on whether my loss was caused by an incorrect decision or incorrect play by me, or whether the loss was out of my control, and make no mistake I am sure that I am never biased on this decision when I mark this down, because my main goal is always to get better. Anyways....

Here are my stats for Journeyman54 over 10,400 hands at 9 max 25nl:

Hands Won: 10.78%
Sessions Won: 46.74%
VP$IP: 14.34
PFR: 9.78
W$WSF: 41.96
WTSD: 25.66
W$SD: 50.80
AF: 2.81
AFq: 46.83
3bet: 4.46
Fold 3bet: 57.86
Att To Steal: 20.60
Fold BB To Steal: 73.16
Fold SB To Steal: 83.25

Hands

AKs: -$22.80
AJs: -$53.60
AJo: -$43.95
KJs: -$23.35
QQ: -$39.35
JJ: -$35.65
TT: -$34.30
99: -$64.05
44: -$15.45
22: -$33.05

Okay, so shouldn't I be winning money with those hands? Mainly shouldn't I be winning money with my stats or is there something wrong here that I'm obviously missing? It just doesn't seem like it should even be possible for me to be losing 15 buyins in 3 days after I start playing a more solid tag game. LIKE WTF!?!?!?? Anyways, someone please help me, if this is just variance then seriously holy $#|+!!!!!! If there is something wrong with my stats that could be causing this then please let me know. Like I'm by no means a beginner and for me to be experiencing such major hits to my bankroll is not fun, so please someone help me!

Last edited by journeyman54; 10-30-2008 at 12:41 AM. Reason: none
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10-30-2008 , 12:43 AM
i will coach you, lets do it lol i will post my stat for reference, i should be a micro stakes coach, dont mind this reply, lemme write out a serious answer
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10-30-2008 , 12:49 AM
your range is too lose for 25NL FR, the Donkeys there pay with any 2.

Fold AQo utg, Fold AJ/KJ from everywhere unless you are at CO/BTN/HJ and blinds are uber nits.

set mine all pairs up to 99, just limp/call and c/f if you dont hit your set, might be exploitable but as these limits nobody pays enough attention.

dont overplay TT/JJ/QQ, cbet and reevaluate flop and turn, but if opponents keep showing aggression just dump it.

hope any of this help.

Last edited by FlushThunder; 10-30-2008 at 12:58 AM.
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10-30-2008 , 12:50 AM
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10-30-2008 , 12:52 AM
your sample size is also very low, try to get 50k hands.
don't be result oriented.
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10-30-2008 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by FlushThunder
your sample size is also very low, try to get 50k hands.
don't be result oriented.
LOL, considering how I'm currently running I will be lucky to get to 15k hands before I go bust, let alone 50k hands.
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10-30-2008 , 12:55 AM
fold AQ, dont listen to this guy


just limp/call wtf dont limp call

if blinds are nuts fold AJ in HJ or CO lol lol lol lol lol lol

sorry i cant post in these threads
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10-30-2008 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
fold AQ, dont listen to this guy


just limp/call wtf dont limp call

if blinds are nuts fold AJ in HJ or CO lol lol lol lol lol lol

sorry i cant post in these threads
can u play AQo/AJ utg when there 3-4 callers every time ? u gonna stackoff on J/Q flop?
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10-30-2008 , 01:10 AM
your stats look good. Your W$WSF is very high for 25NL.

Sweat session?
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10-30-2008 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by richbrown360
your stats look good. Your W$WSF is very high for 25NL.

Sweat session?
i sent a pm
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10-30-2008 , 01:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlushThunder
your range is too lose for 25NL FR, the Donkeys there pay with any 2.

Fold AQo utg, Fold AJ/KJ from everywhere unless you are at CO/BTN/HJ and blinds are uber nits.

set mine all pairs up to 99, just limp/call and c/f if you dont hit your set, might be exploitable but as these limits nobody pays enough attention.

dont overplay TT/JJ/QQ, cbet and reevaluate flop and turn, but if opponents keep showing aggression just dump it.

hope any of this help.


I played $25NL very differently and was quite successful. Different styles, I guess.
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10-30-2008 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Damntra


I played $25NL very differently and was quite successful. Different styles, I guess.
Would you be willing to help me out and explain how you played? If you dont want to talk in depth about your strategies maybe send a pm? Would be nice to hear about other successful ways to play this level.
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10-30-2008 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Damntra


I played $25NL very differently and was quite successful. Different styles, I guess.
Well i mix 10NL and 25NL for 14-tabling, so the range can be wider for 6-8 tables. but if he is losing with these hands he should eliminate it from his range (not completely, but on most tables).
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10-30-2008 , 01:27 AM
Play 10/6/1 only play AK and set mine.

You can't lose.

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10-30-2008 , 01:30 AM
Post your hands you think are troubleing you. Don't be shy.
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10-30-2008 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by mOeeOm
Play 10/6/1 only play AK and set mine.

You can't lose.

So basically your saying my strategy should be only open raise with AA-JJ, AK, AQ, set mine all pairs TT or lower, dont ever play anything else, no suited connectors from any position, no KQs, no AJs, and I will be a winner? What about postflop? If im playing a 10/6/1, what would be changing with cbetting or any postflop tendencies?
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10-30-2008 , 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by pheisar
Post your hands you think are troubleing you. Don't be shy.
Well, what do you mean? I just explained which hands are losing me money, and i posted my stats. If you mean post the actual hands that are "troubling me" as in complete hands, not just my hole cards, then i oughta just post a crap load of bad beats and stuff in the bbv forum, cuz basically that seems like whats been troubling me. This is the whole point of why i made this thread, because I cant pinpoint any errors in my game that could be justifying the miserable results ive been experiencing, if that makes any sense.
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10-30-2008 , 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by journeyman54
Well, what do you mean? I just explained which hands are losing me money, and i posted my stats. If you mean post the actual hands that are "troubling me" as in complete hands, not just my hole cards, then i oughta just post a crap load of bad beats and stuff in the bbv forum, cuz basically that seems like whats been troubling me. This is the whole point of why i made this thread, because I cant pinpoint any errors in my game that could be justifying the miserable results ive been experiencing, if that makes any sense.
Well, if you are confident in your game to the point that you can't pinpoint any errors, and all losing comes down to bad beats, why did you started a thread about it? You could just vent at the BBV thread.

Maybe you're just experiencing your first big downswing and, believe me, the first time it hits, it hits real hard.
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10-30-2008 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by FlushThunder
Well i mix 10NL and 25NL for 14-tabling, so the range can be wider for 6-8 tables. but if he is losing with these hands he should eliminate it from his range (not completely, but on most tables).
I was playing anywhere from 12-20 tables and wasn't folding A/Q UTG.

If he's losing with these hands, the idea isn't to not play them, it's to find out why you're losing with them, imo.
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10-30-2008 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by journeyman54
Hands

AKs: -$22.80
AJs: -$53.60
AJo: -$43.95
KJs: -$23.35
QQ: -$39.35
JJ: -$35.65
TT: -$34.30
99: -$64.05
44: -$15.45
22: -$33.05
i would like to see some hands of yours, specially, AJo and JJ/TT/44/22.
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10-30-2008 , 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by pheisar
i would like to see some hands of yours, specially, AJo and JJ/TT/44/22.
I dont want this to turn into a bbv thread but i guess i can post up some of these hands for you to see. And i know most of the hands im about to post will be bad beats but dont get me wrong im not venting about that or anything, im just giving you guys an idea of how im losing my money with these hands, who knows maybe in doing this we might notice a few errors i might have made in the process.
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10-30-2008 , 02:13 AM
I have some player notes on you:

Stacked Off Light w SB 2nd pair 97o on Ts2h7h,3c5s
Stacked Off Light w AJo TPGK on 3 flush brd to TPTK
Stacked Off Light 256BB w 2 pair + K FD on 3 flush brd to Nut Flush, KdJh on KhJs4h,6h,2d to Ah5h
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10-30-2008 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by journeyman54
I dont want this to turn into a bbv thread but i guess i can post up some of these hands for you to see. And i know most of the hands im about to post will be bad beats but dont get me wrong im not venting about that or anything, im just giving you guys an idea of how im losing my money with these hands, who knows maybe in doing this we might notice a few errors i might have made in the process.
Okay, so here is two hands that contributed largely to my net loss with AKs





Okay so as you can see, these 2 examples are obviously just some variance. But I will continue to post the trouble hands as requested
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10-30-2008 , 02:18 AM
I've also seen you re-raise the Flop with a Flush Draw plus 2 overcards. You have to pick your opponent carefully at NL25 if you want to play a draw aggressively because some Villains are just never folding and your move mostly needs fold equity to be profitable. Do this against a nitty regular but just call flop against a calling station.
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10-30-2008 , 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by FlushThunder
can u play AQo/AJ utg when there 3-4 callers every time ? u gonna stackoff on J/Q flop?
Yes man, i am def stacking off everytime ldo maybe u can teach me how to play it

level level level if u cannot see
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