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12-29-2008 , 02:05 AM
I'm the nittiest small blind nit I know, and ten-nine suited behind two limpers is an instant limp for even me, unless they and the BB are all shorties (in which case, why the hell am I at this table?)
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12-29-2008 , 09:24 AM
Just watched the vid... Thanks again... Just a few comments

I like your approach with respect to 3betting regs. It's def something I'll have to do more, but when I do it I like to have some kind of hand value, like SCs, suited 1-2 gappers, offsuit connectors. There's two advantages: If you get called you might hit some flops hard and it also keeps the 3betting frequency to a lower level. Then again, if you never get played back, you might just as well 3bet all the time...


40:40: you get 78s on the BTN and two unknowns limp and you fold. I'd probably raise it up to like 2:50, but I'd also like a call. A fold seems really tight...

40:50: I'd fold there. It's a good spot to 3bet, but your hand is soo bad. I'd wait for a better spot to pick up his raises. Once he calls I like the cbet, but I'd bet like 7.50-8. In general I think your cbets are really small. I like to make them about 60-75% of the pot.

46:00: That's the AJ hand. I think his bet on the river is mostly for thin value with AQ or even AK. 99 fits the action pretty well as well. I think you're almost always behind there, cause there's no busted draw he could bluff with and he has no weaker A in his range. And I doubt he turns a pp into a bluff there... I think a fold there is fine, but he gives you such a good price, that I'd end up callin as well I think. Just don't see a lot in his range he bets there that we beat...


52:00 I'm really not sure on that hand. My standard play is to chk behind with KK on an A high board, cause he'll never fold an A. You might get value from lower pps and draws though. I think I still prefer a chk though cause that way you can keep the pot small. If the turn is a blank and he chks again, just bet about 2/3 of the pot. If the turn is a spade, Q or 5 and he bets I probably call one street and fold on the river if he continues...


So that's just my two cents... ATM I'm a bit struggling at 50NL myself, so let me know if you disagree/think I'm wrong at some point...
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12-29-2008 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by magodeoz84
Just watched the vid... Thanks again... Just a few comments

I like your approach with respect to 3betting regs. It's def something I'll have to do more, but when I do it I like to have some kind of hand value, like SCs, suited 1-2 gappers, offsuit connectors. There's two advantages: If you get called you might hit some flops hard and it also keeps the 3betting frequency to a lower level. Then again, if you never get played back, you might just as well 3bet all the time...


40:40: you get 78s on the BTN and two unknowns limp and you fold. I'd probably raise it up to like 2:50, but I'd also like a call. A fold seems really tight...

40:50: I'd fold there. It's a good spot to 3bet, but your hand is soo bad. I'd wait for a better spot to pick up his raises. Once he calls I like the cbet, but I'd bet like 7.50-8. In general I think your cbets are really small. I like to make them about 60-75% of the pot.

46:00: That's the AJ hand. I think his bet on the river is mostly for thin value with AQ or even AK. 99 fits the action pretty well as well. I think you're almost always behind there, cause there's no busted draw he could bluff with and he has no weaker A in his range. And I doubt he turns a pp into a bluff there... I think a fold there is fine, but he gives you such a good price, that I'd end up callin as well I think. Just don't see a lot in his range he bets there that we beat...


52:00 I'm really not sure on that hand. My standard play is to chk behind with KK on an A high board, cause he'll never fold an A. You might get value from lower pps and draws though. I think I still prefer a chk though cause that way you can keep the pot small. If the turn is a blank and he chks again, just bet about 2/3 of the pot. If the turn is a spade, Q or 5 and he bets I probably call one street and fold on the river if he continues...


So that's just my two cents... ATM I'm a bit struggling at 50NL myself, so let me know if you disagree/think I'm wrong at some point...
The reason for 3 betting junk hands and not suited connectors is because alot of 50nl regs will 4 bet or fold. So there is no point in betting suited connectors if they are just going to 4 bet you and u have to fold you wasting equity. Obv once you annoyed them or they flat 3 bets alot you can start 3 betting your value hands wider and you can 3 bet suited connectors.


Also I think your probably right about the AJ hand.

I always c bet KK there esp vs fish he can call u so lite 9x,8x, srt draws ect and fish almost never raise. I think c/c is bad.


FWIW I think im atrocious at playing sc so i avoid it i guess..?
thanks for the comments ^.^

Last edited by gregGGhehe; 12-29-2008 at 10:03 AM.
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12-29-2008 , 12:02 PM
Video time! On it's way down.
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12-29-2008 , 03:30 PM
The hand where you have KQo and you iso the nit limping UTG, the flop comes A4Tr and he ck/mini-raise I always call there...we have a gut shot and he's paying off with 44 if we hit.
Also, stop cbeting so damn much against fish IP...it's tilting when they ck/min-raise.
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12-29-2008 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BadLieutenant
The hand where you have KQo and you iso the nit limping UTG, the flop comes A4Tr and he ck/mini-raise I always call there...we have a gut shot and he's paying off with 44 if we hit.
Also, stop cbeting so damn much against fish IP...it's tilting when they ck/min-raise.
would it be too much to ask for some time stamps of like which flops i c bet too much your like the 1 billionith person to say this....
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12-30-2008 , 08:57 AM
18:10 what is the reason behind open folding 55?

I always at least limp here -- am I terrible for that?
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12-30-2008 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by PH3NOM
18:10 what is the reason behind open folding 55?

I always at least limp here -- am I terrible for that?
Its not the end of the world if you limp call them, but here is what happens when you do and why I dont.

If you limp call you will be oop with you set and it will be hard to get money because you will have to c/r or donk. Same reason you dont call pp's in the blinds getting in money oop with a set is HARD.

Another reason you don't want to do it is because regs will know know what your doing as soon as a see someone limp call and check down a pp (or just limp with tag stats) I know what your doing. So I'm going to abuse you u limp I have 74o if ppl behind me are not agroo/fish I will iso you extra big. You will call I will c bet any flop you will fold or some tags will call these pp's than i simple barrel the turn and they always fold. Because some tags are like i want to make sure he isnt c betting omg. But its so transparent and easy to abuse its not even funny.

So what I'm saying is if its a passive table full of fish go ahead and limp they will limp back and stack off with TPNK draws ect....but if there are a decent amount of regs your going to get abused.

Ok now what else can we do we can raise those PP's what are some pro's: we can flop sets and stack people, we can c bet the flop and take it down a decent amount of the time. Great I love that.

Now some cons: We will get set over set more often lets say we have 22 reraise pre what are most tags calling with......PP's higher than ours. Also oop its alot hard to c bet and take down the pot more ppl will call. Sometimes a bunch of people will call pre. Its difficult.


This is why I fold them but if your table is fishy go ahead and limp them.

Last edited by gregGGhehe; 12-30-2008 at 09:39 AM.
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12-30-2008 , 09:36 AM
so where do you start at? do you raise w/ 88 from early position or limp? or toss? what is your cutoff and your action?
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12-30-2008 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by PH3NOM
so where do you start at? do you raise w/ 88 from early position or limp? or toss? what is your cutoff and your action?
i raise 77+ but its table dependent i mean there arent alot of agroo regs at 50nl they are mostly nits so u can safely bet 77+ it will usually be a mid pair type hand on most boards. so you have some showdown value along with the amount of times your c bet will take down the pot most people think 77+ is ideal. Also I never limp unless a fishy table and I know I have a high % of getting away with it you know?

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Last edited by gregGGhehe; 12-30-2008 at 09:48 AM.
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