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Old 10-25-2009, 05:25 AM   #1
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Spade 50NL - PAHWM: Q5s

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Hero: 13/10 over 160 hands at this table. Has been chatty and overall very negative in tone. Has already lost a hand v UTG (KK v KQ ai on Qxx for a 100bb pot)

UTG: 47/30 over 300. Seems to enjoy betting (though only has a CB of 44) , and thinks donking is hilarious. Is an overall very bad player, very sporadic, and has been fluctuating drastically in stack size (from $12 to $120). Has been minR-ing as his open from everywhere for the last hour or so...seems to be a bit tilty as Hero has been aggressing him more often on a couple tables.

CO: is Natis, who I have as a 14/10 over 10K+ hands. He has been calling a bit more liberally in position, or so it seems. He has also ran like absolute jesus thus far, and has also been very chatty. Nothing special to note other than I don't expect him to get involved in a big pot without a big hand. (history between Hero and CO is pretty negligible imo...some 3b stuff here and there, but overall pretty tame it seems)



Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players
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CO: $200.45
BTN: $50.00
SB: $52.05
Hero (BB): $65.35
UTG: $71.40
UTG+1: $50.00
MP: $50.75

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 5 Q
UTG raises to $1, 2 folds, CO calls $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.50

now normally a PAHWM starts with pf decisions. I would imagine most of you would fold here. I think Q5 will be insanely easy to play against the aggro unless I catch an odd board or something, even OOP. I considered squeezing here, but UTG doesn't seem to like folding to those, so that is a no-go. Folding is an obvious option, but I felt UTG might be getting very agitated, and with slightly slightly bigger stacks, I felt this was manageable....and I really don't want him to bust+leave (without me getting a piece) which I felt he might do. So I called...

Flop: ($3.25) 5 Q 7 (3 players)
Hero ???


Like usual....please give your line and thoughts. If you will bet, please give size....if you will check, give a line plan...if you don't have any clue...take a stab at it.

ill update in the morning...enjoy =)

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Old 10-25-2009, 05:54 AM   #2
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Re: 50NL - PAHWM: Q5s

probs c/r cause then you trap both for a bet and build the pot bigger
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Old 10-25-2009, 05:58 AM   #3
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Re: 50NL - PAHWM: Q5s

Min check/raise
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Old 10-25-2009, 06:04 AM   #4
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Re: 50NL - PAHWM: Q5s

i actually like sweedens line.

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Old 10-25-2009, 06:11 AM   #5
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i actually like sweedens line.
nice ninja edit. and ftr, 80% of the hands i post are winners.

i like you too...but i will still continue to write a complaining post once a week
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Old 10-25-2009, 06:25 AM   #6
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Re: 50NL - PAHWM: Q5s

I probably lead out here for about 3$. Donk's cbet is only 44% so it's not a given he's going to bet, there's some cards that will make the board look pretty dangerous on the turn (any spade and 6, and a 7 would be awful). Betting out is also more likely to induce spew from a donk imo.

Given stack depth, a c/r has more potential upside, but is also more likely to result in no bet going into the pot on the flop. I'd usually take the save line of just betting out.
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Old 10-25-2009, 06:34 AM   #7
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Re: 50NL - PAHWM: Q5s

i like lead/3b more. think he will raise a donk often here
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Even if the pfr checks the spewy c/o will bet 100%.
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Even if the pfr checks the spewy c/o will bet 100%.
where did he says CO was spewy? PFR is spewy if i got it right.

and yes, i think we will be able to c/r a lot here,im just not sure how good it is,leavas us with a lot of money behind on many ugly turns and against CO we kinda overrep our hand by c/r.

i think if we donk the pfr will raise us very often and get it in pretty light over our 3b.

also it gets checked through 0% of teh time which is great
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Even if the pfr checks the spewy c/o will bet 100%.
lol

I do like donk/CiB into the fish though. $2.25-$2.75. According to reads in OP, spewy CO isn't putting major money in without 77.

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and yes, i think we will be able to c/r a lot here,im just not sure how good it is,leavas us with a lot of money behind on many ugly turns and against CO we kinda overrep our hand by c/r.
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what turn cards are really going to be that ugly?

7, A, K?
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what turn cards are really going to be that ugly?

7, A, K?
yes,and spades

also,i think we just get the money in better and faster with the donkline.with the reads you gave i picture utg as a player who ships all his draws over if we 3b+ Qx other overpairs etc.

basically, hes not more likely to fold if we donk but we are more likely to get all the money in on the flop imo

edit: a Q can kill our action too
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where did he says CO was spewy? PFR is spewy if i got it right.
"14/10!" "running like jesus" "very chatty" those all point to a spewy player. Although it's mostly based on my exp. playing with him.
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"14/10!" "running like jesus" "very chatty" those all point to a spewy player. Although it's mostly based on my exp. playing with him.
ok, i havent played him much but hes very bad from what ive seen,doesnt know how to VB etc, but i havent really seen him spew
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Re: 50NL - PAHWM: Q5s

I like the c/r line because he's going to bet any pair and any draw and is probably not going to be able to fold them either. If the flop checks through, then we were never destined to win a big pot with it anyway and I think it's better to go for a stack-full of value out of a made hand or a draw than to rely on his bluffing frequency to win a smaller pot.
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