Quote:
Originally Posted by AlinMC
Sorry but really don't see how that can be true. I strongly disagree with checking the flop, losing initiative in this spot leaves room for lots of mistakes on later streets. Unless he's really terrible and allows us to play perfectly (e.g. shoves if we chk-raise), checking flop puts us in an even tougher situation and will most likely prove more costly. Are we planning to check-raise or call?
|
The most profitable way to play is not always the one that minimizes mistakes later. If this were the case we would simply shove or fold preflop and then we'd never be in a tough situation. And I'm definitely planning on ch/c I think ch/r would be massive spew for the same reasons I don't want to bet in the first place.
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlinMC
If we just call what's our play on the turn+river if he keeps firing? Say he's making a half-sized pot bet ott, are we just happy to fold in that spot then?
|
Depending on sizing probably folding to a turn bet assuming he bets flop and we ch/c.
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlinMC
He doesn't like to get out of line. I'd much rather cbet to fold the bottom of his range JJ/AK as it's very likely he's not going to float flop with those. He knows I've raised UTG's open from MP and has to give us credit we have JJ/AK beat on the flop almost always.
|
You're making my argument for me. Why would you want him to fold the only 2 hands you realistically beat now and have very little equity against you?
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlinMC
I say again he doesn't like to get out of line. But there's a much higher incentive to get out of line when the raiser gives away initiative, and rightly so. If it's fairly safe to assume this player won't float with JJ/AK, it's not at all safe to assume he won't be trying to take down the pot on the turn with them if we check both flop and turn. I believe betting flop ourselves and checking turn is marginally better, harder to make later mistakes and surely the cheapest way to narrow his range and go from there.
|
Again, the goal of poker isn't to narrow ranges or to avoid mistakes, it's to make money. It's hard to make money when your entire goal in the hand is to make the only hands we beat fold. If you think he bluffs a lot when checked to we don't have to fold, but you also said he doesn't get out of line a lot and I think after we ch/c flop he's very unlikely to bet turn as a bluff.
Two Plus Two
Linear Mode
