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Old 06-14-2012, 11:01 AM   #1
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50 NL trips facing 3iver donk

Villain:
18/15
78 FCbet 38 TCbet 9%donkbet
1.2k Hands

Pre:Had fish in the blinds

Looks like bad line to take as a bluff, fold river?

PokerStars - €0.50 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: €62.14
Hero (MP+1): €50.00
CO: €52.53
BTN: €89.00
SB: €20.69
BB: €59.03
UTG: €19.25
UTG+1: €53.84
UTG+2: €51.25

SB posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has T J

fold, fold, UTG+2 raises to €1.50, MP calls €1.50, Hero calls €1.50, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (€5.25, 3 players) T 6 4
UTG+2 bets €4.00, fold, Hero calls €4.00

Turn: (€13.25, 2 players) T
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets €8.11, UTG+2 calls €8.11

River: (€29.47, 2 players) K
UTG+2 bets €16.50, Hero ?
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Old 06-14-2012, 11:33 AM   #2
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Re: 50 NL trips facing 3iver donk

yeah, gross spot... weird spot.
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Old 06-14-2012, 11:43 AM   #3
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Re: 50 NL trips facing 3iver donk

Just a case of working out whether to call or raise. If he has a value hand you would think he would bet the turn given you called the flop but then again he might be a retarded bad reg who likes to trap.

Does he have badly played AA enough of the time here to shove?
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Old 06-14-2012, 01:06 PM   #4
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Re: 50 NL trips facing 3iver donk

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Just a case of working out whether to call or raise. If he has a value hand you would think he would bet the turn given you called the flop but then again he might be a retarded bad reg who likes to trap.

Does he have badly played AA enough of the time here to shove?
I'm trying to decide between calling and folding. I don't think 87s is in his pre flop range, and he looks nitty, so I don't think he calls it on the turn.

It's pretty hard for him to have a bluff on the river.

His river bet size feels a little blocky to me, but it's not really that small. I think calling and folding are probably about the same EV... but I don't think he really calls a raise with much worse... maybe T9s but he can definitely have all the full houses. I think his most likely hand is something like KK that got scared on the turn.
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Old 06-14-2012, 02:48 PM   #5
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but I don't think he really calls a raise with much worse.
Im never folding but the point you make is the thing that leans me more towards a call.
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Old 06-14-2012, 02:52 PM   #6
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Re: 50 NL trips facing 3iver donk

The only real option here is to call
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Old 06-14-2012, 06:35 PM   #7
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Re: 50 NL trips facing 3iver donk

Never fold river here. it would be interesting if you had reads on his cbet tendendies in mw pots. I think you are going to see AK a bit here, along with weird played AA-JJ, Tx and FH. Pretty clear call imo
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Old 06-15-2012, 04:53 AM   #8
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Re: 50 NL trips facing 3iver donk

Villain obviously has major leaks, but is a reggy guy really going to do this with AK? I could see this line from a whale, but certainly not from someone with these stats... I think this is actually close to a call or fold, but lean towards call since he should have 109s in his range along with boats.
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Old 06-15-2012, 07:29 AM   #9
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Re: 50 NL trips facing 3iver donk

This is such a weird, weird spot. I think it's a call (crying and closing your eyes), but I don't see how you could possibly raise, and I could maybe even see an argument for folding. He probably has AA here sometimes (having taken the strangest and worst line ever), and sometimes 10h9h, but just as often he turns up with a bunch of boats. I don't think he has sixes or fours full though, since he'd surely check-raise the turn to try to get action from a ten. That said...lord knows. Spots like this are so gross because they basically rely on you being able to guess correctly exactly how terribad a terribad player is.

I can't see how he can possibly have a bluff, and I guess AK, QQ, and JJ are possible but that just seems so unlikely. If I had to put him on one hand I'd say KK (and he chickened out on the turn?) but this is probably still a call anyway as there are a number of boats he probably doesn't have and there's definitely some stuff you beat.
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