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Old 07-05-2012, 05:10 PM   #1
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50 NL 2pair river decision

UTG +1 38/22 over 23 hands

CO 17/14/4% 3bet/40% FvFcbet
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PokerStars - $0.50 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: $43.50
MP: $50.00
Hero (MP+1): $62.91
CO: $50.75
BTN: $20.00
SB: $50.00
BB: $50.00
UTG: $14.71

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has Q J

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, fold, Hero raises to $2.00, CO calls $2.00, fold, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.75, 3 players) 6 A J
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $3.22, CO calls $3.22, UTG+1 calls $3.22

Turn: ($16.41, 3 players) Q
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $11.00, CO calls $11.00, fold

River: ($38.41, 2 players) 8
Hero ?
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Old 07-05-2012, 07:49 PM   #2
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Re: 50 NL 2pair river decision

I'm waffling between b/f to get value from Ax hands and ch/c if villain is capable of thin vbets with a top pair hand or will bluff whiffed draws. His range we can get value from is really thin, but if we bet small we can probably get some crying calls. I'm not sure how much he tries to bluff this board on the river, your BetIP stat on him not withstanding.
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Old 07-05-2012, 08:15 PM   #3
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Re: 50 NL 2pair river decision

dislike the iso from that position

not sure what to do, think it's too thin for value
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Old 07-06-2012, 06:12 AM   #4
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Re: 50 NL 2pair river decision

Most of the draws missed except backdoor hearts and the gutshot KT.

KT likely raises the turn so he probably doesn't have this. He could have some random AhXh that called the flop with toppest pair and then picked up a flush draw on the turn.

I think a check/call is in order here, to see if he stabs with a missed diamond draw, and to keep the pot a bit smaller if he has a flush.
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Old 07-06-2012, 03:07 PM   #5
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Re: 50 NL 2pair river decision

iso is beyond fine from HJ imo
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Old 07-06-2012, 03:23 PM   #6
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Re: 50 NL 2pair river decision

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I think a check/call is in order here
I like a check/call too.
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Old 07-06-2012, 08:00 PM   #7
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yeah, I definitely don't see a problem with the iso, but I think you are right arb and a river vbet is too thin. Prob just check and close eyes as I click call when he bets.
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Old 07-07-2012, 06:20 AM   #8
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Re: 50 NL 2pair river decision

fold pre, iso against the fish is fine play if you were CO or BTN when were almost gtd to act last, mp1 your in a tricky spot.

c/f river, he will alot of the time have a better 2p, KTdd/hh, T9dd, backdoor nf, he prob checks back all missed draws on such a heavy board OTR so i cant see any hands you would get value from by betting river. imo AK would fold to a river bet on that board, AT unless it was exactly AThh would fold the turn, QJ would fold OTF.
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Old 07-07-2012, 06:48 AM   #9
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Re: 50 NL 2pair river decision

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dislike the iso from that position

not sure what to do, think it's too thin for value
I'm supporting team pokerarb, fold pre.

River is tricky.

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I think a check/call is in order here, to see if he stabs with a missed diamond draw, and to keep the pot a bit smaller if he has a flush.
I want to agree with this, but there is less than a potsize bet left for villain, so if he bets, I'm fairly sure it will always be a shove, are we still calling that? Because I'm not.
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Old 07-07-2012, 06:58 AM   #10
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Re: 50 NL 2pair river decision

I can't decide between a bet/fold or a check/fold here. If we check I don't think he's value betting anything worse and I don't see him having many bluffs here so a c/c doesn't feel right.
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Old 07-07-2012, 08:03 AM   #11
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I can't decide between a bet/fold or a check/fold here. If we check I don't think he's value betting anything worse and I don't see him having many bluffs here so a c/c doesn't feel right.
What would be the size of the bet/fold?
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Old 07-07-2012, 09:18 AM   #12
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Re: 50 NL 2pair river decision

I was thinking about $15 but given the stack sizes we're then gonna have a great price to call so I think I prefer the bet fold. I know people are saying he could have a busted diamond draw here but this doesn't seem like the kinda villain who's gonna just call us down with a draw. I'd expect a raise somewhere
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Old 07-07-2012, 11:34 AM   #13
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I was thinking about $15 but given the stack sizes we're then gonna have a great price to call so I think I prefer the bet fold. I know people are saying he could have a busted diamond draw here but this doesn't seem like the kinda villain who's gonna just call us down with a draw. I'd expect a raise somewhere
There's a fish in the pot, why are you so confident a reg would raise?
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Old 07-07-2012, 12:20 PM   #14
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Feels like a c/f on the river. Seems like AhKh or AQ is very viable for the way he has played this hand.
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Old 07-07-2012, 06:58 PM   #15
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Re: 50 NL 2pair river decision

c/c is so meh bc you get freerolled real often and you have no real idea how often he's going to bluff

i also think value betting is sossosososo thin

i was thinking about this hand and maybe crai as a bluff could be cool if you think he's capable of bet/folding better... but I doubt ppl bet/fold 2pr here in reality so that kinda goes out the window too

Last edited by pokerarb; 07-07-2012 at 06:59 PM. Reason: also crai w/stacks sizes seems kinda hard...
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