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2NL two pair shove? 2NL two pair shove?

01-30-2017 , 04:20 PM
Hi guys!

So this is the hand in question:

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 104 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
SB: 117.5 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
BB: 361 BB (VPIP: 14.91, PFR: 9.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 118)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.33, PFR: 15.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 60)
UTG+1: 92 BB (VPIP: 10.71, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 56)
Hero (MP): 309.5 BB
MP+1: 92.5 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
MP+2: 191 BB (VPIP: 16.44, PFR: 8.22, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 74)
CO: 90.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, MP+2 calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) Q 2 J
Hero bets 6.5 BB, MP+2 raises to 15 BB, Hero raises to 46 BB, MP+2 raises to 85 BB, Hero raises to 306.5 BB and is all-in, MP+2 calls 103 BB and is all-in

Turn: (383.5 BB, 2 players) 5

River: (383.5 BB, 2 players) T


The main question is whether Hero should shove in the face of the aggression and given the relatively deep stack sizes.

One thing is for certain: this hand should have been folded preflop. This was actually a mis-click. It's awesome to use hot-keys but sometimes **** happens

My thought process on the flop was:
- Bet for value from one-pair hands and straight draws. The bet size is more on the large side because I don't know a lot about this player and fish will call any amount so might as well inflate.

- When the bet gets raised to 15BB, the raise amount is a little over min-bet and so although it is possible that we are facing a legit hand it could also be a probe raise with air from someone who didn't quite believe the c-bet. It could also represent a semi-bluff with a straight draw although with a pretty bad raise amount (but hey, it's the micros). If we are facing a legit hand, the most likely hand is a set of deuces given that we already hold a Q and a J. There is only one combination of JJ and QQ and these might have 3-bet pre but not necessarily. Villain could have QJ as well but also not a lot of combos of these left. Lastly, some villains at this level may go broke with TPTK so I didn't exclude this possibility.

- I decided to re-raise hoping to get paid by TPTK and stubborn draws. Calling was also a possibility given the pot odds but I figured that I'd have a tough decision on the turn and I'd be out of position. If I called and checked the turn (assuming turn isn't Q or J) then I could face a bet and still not be entirely sure what to do. If the turn bricks and I bet the turn and got raised, another hard decision. If the turn comes a danger card like a T, A, K I would probably be in check/fold mode. These are the reasons why I preferred raising.

- Villain min re-reraises again and this is where I am unsure about the correct play. Folding is a possibility if I truly put him on 22 or the unlikely JJ/QQ. I don't put Villain on KK/AA because these would 3-bet pre almost 100% of the time. Calling will most likely mean facing a shove on the turn. Shoving will only get value from fish but against better players will only get called by better.

The range I put Villain on is JJ-QQ,22,QJ,AQ which would make me a 55% favourite. However, if I exclude AQ from their range (which is their weakest holding) I am a 29% underdog.

It would be great to have your thoughts about how Hero played this.

Last edited by AntonioQuina; 01-30-2017 at 04:40 PM.
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01-30-2017 , 04:38 PM
Yeah QJs from mp1 seems a tad loose for me on a table where none of the players seems to be getting out of line.

70 hands is not that much but he seems tightish, maybe a bit weak-tightish.

I think the reraise is only gonna get called or raised by at the least the same hand. There's no draws except a straight draw out there and this guy probably won't get out of line with AQ. Once he minrereraises you can bet your house on him not folding and once again you're just hoping to see the same hand.

Also, this guy probably will not even call QJ pre or only a suited version (which would be 1 combo, the same number of combo's of QQ OR JJ). We're not sure what he would do with QQ/JJ pre, too little to go with.

So I think you should just call the flop raise and go from there... Getting it in here 200BB deep is probably not gonna end well most of the time.
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01-31-2017 , 03:28 AM
Interesting thought process! For me (imho), being this deep I would just call the min raise and hope to call this hand down oop. There's a good chance villain does this with AQ but that depends entirely on your table image. I would not go out of my way to build a massive pot where most likely villain has a set.
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