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| Micro Stakes Full Ring Discussion of up to .25/.50 online no-limit pot-limit Texas hold'em full ring games, situations and strategies |
07-02-2012, 10:24 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 310
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2nl - 96s
Villain was 57/42 but only over 7 hands so i'd just ignore that.
What started out as blindstealing led to a bigger loss.. i shld have taken the free turn card?
PokerStars - $0.02 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
MP: $2.65
MP+1: $2.69
CO: $2.26
Hero (BTN): $2.24
SB: $2.16
BB: $3.98
UTG: $0.70
UTG+1: $2.00
SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has 6  9
fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.06, fold, BB calls $0.04
Flop: ($0.13, 2 players) 5  J  J
BB checks, Hero bets $0.08, BB calls $0.08
Turn: ($0.29, 2 players) 3
BB checks, Hero bets $0.18, BB raises to $0.36, Hero calls $0.18
River: ($1.01, 2 players) 2
BB checks, Hero bets $0.32, BB raises to $0.64, fold
BB wins $1.59
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07-02-2012, 10:27 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 4,136
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Re: 2nl - 96s
Quote:
Originally Posted by tat
Villain was 57/42 but only over 7 hands so i'd just ignore that.
What started out as blindstealing led to a bigger loss.. i shld have taken the free turn card?
PokerStars - $0.02 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
MP: $2.65
MP+1: $2.69
CO: $2.26
Hero (BTN): $2.24
SB: $2.16
BB: $3.98
UTG: $0.70
UTG+1: $2.00
SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has 6  9
fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.06, fold, BB calls $0.04
Flop: ($0.13, 2 players) 5  J  J
BB checks, Hero bets $0.08, BB calls $0.08
Turn: ($0.29, 2 players) 3
BB checks, Hero bets $0.18, BB raises to $0.36, Hero calls $0.18
River: ($1.01, 2 players) 2
BB checks, Hero bets $0.32, BB raises to $0.64, fold
BB wins $1.59
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It seems to me like you were drawing to the non-nut flush on the turn on a paired board, naughty!
It's ok to muck a draw you know, due to reverse implied odds, or insufficient implied odds etc.
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07-02-2012, 11:03 AM
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centurion
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 127
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Re: 2nl - 96s
Raise pre-flop, C-bet the flop, check or fold the turn, check or fold the river. Chasing 9 outs on a paired board is trouble at any stakes.
Opening 96s from the BTN is playing for value, not steal, btw.
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07-02-2012, 11:29 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: 1980s.
Posts: 3,928
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Re: 2nl - 96s
Once he calls the flop bet you should be done with the hand.
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07-02-2012, 01:02 PM
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#5
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veteran
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Polarizing my folding range
Posts: 3,499
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Re: 2nl - 96s
Aye, it's a terrible card to double barrel - basically, I'd only be planning to bet a heart, ace, king or queen here (and potentially not a queen). After betting the turn, calling the c/r is standard pot odds play, but why you're betting the river is beyond me.
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07-02-2012, 02:11 PM
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Who killed me?
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Howard Lederer's pocket
Posts: 4,506
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Re: 2nl - 96s
What were you thinking on the river?
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07-02-2012, 02:34 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Taking myself to Value Town
Posts: 258
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Re: 2nl - 96s
Check behind the turn, because you might hit your flush for free on the river. But don't go crazy on this board if you do.
Also, when he calls the flop, depending on his tendencies, there's still a bunch of hands (small and medium pocket pairs that didn't fill up, A  x  type hands) that would be beat by your pair outs, and wouldn't bet the river, so you could get a free showdown and pick up the pot if you do spike a pair.
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07-02-2012, 02:55 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Following tiltedpoker.org
Posts: 9,141
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Re: 2nl - 96s
Quote:
Originally Posted by nismo9
What were you thinking on the river?
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I think the river is fine, I mean the bet is small enough that it dosnt have to work that often and he probably has no showdown value. Couple of glaring mistakes on the turn though.
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07-02-2012, 03:25 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Hijack+4 (prime stealing pos)
Posts: 4,531
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Re: 2nl - 96s
Checkraise me one, shame on you. Checkraise me twice, shame on me.
Listen to the story your opponent is telling you. His turn checkraise is telling you "I have a jack". Don't bluff into that again!
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07-02-2012, 04:33 PM
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Who killed me?
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Howard Lederer's pocket
Posts: 4,506
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Re: 2nl - 96s
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartL
I think the river is fine, I mean the bet is small enough that it dosnt have to work that often and he probably has no showdown value. Couple of glaring mistakes on the turn though.
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Not saying there is anything wrong with it, just trying to get an idea of the thought process.
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07-02-2012, 05:42 PM
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adept
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: between the clowns and the jokers
Posts: 1,053
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Re: 2nl - 96s
preflop and flop look good, you made two mistakes on the turn though
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07-02-2012, 06:48 PM
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#12
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veteran
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Polarizing my folding range
Posts: 3,499
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Re: 2nl - 96s
Come on, he's getting 5-1 to hit his flush, calling the min-c/r is not a bad play. Vil is much more likely to have a jack than a boat IMO.
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07-02-2012, 08:03 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 4,136
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Re: 2nl - 96s
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
Come on, he's getting 5-1 to hit his flush, calling the min-c/r is not a bad play. Vil is much more likely to have a jack than a boat IMO.
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He's got direct pot odds to draw to his flush, but it's the reverse implied odds that's the problem, where he can lose more on the river if say the Qh, Kh, or Ah comes, completing the boat for villains QJ, KJ or AJ. The villain could also have 55 for a flopped fuller, or JJ for flopped quads and he's raising the turn small to build the pot a little but not scare the hero off.
What if the flush comes in, and the villain checks. The hero is almost obligated to bet his flush and then if the villain shoves, he could be overvaluing trip Jacks, or he could actually have the boat or quads knowing that the hero would not be able to lay down a flush, and it is horrible when deciding whether to call or not. You feel like an idiot if he has you beat and you lose your stack in a hand that shouldn't have made it past the flop.
There is still 75bb left in the effective stacks on the river and I don't like having to bet/call and I hate having to bet/fold having 'got there' with the flush that I was chasing and yet still lose the hand.
Would the villain only raise tiny with trip Jacks and the flush draw being out there on the turn? Maybe, but normally these little tiny raises are the nuts and the other player doesn't want you to fold.
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