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03-26-2017 , 04:56 AM

dogarse

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3,985

This is a fun one. V is a pretty big fish.

41/29/11 over 180 hands. Fold to 3bet 60%(10). These are the interesting stats. Bet vs Missed cbet flop is 75(4), turn 100(3), river 100(2). W$SD 33%.

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37689470

BTN: $28.57 (114.3 bb)
SB: $27.43 (109.7 bb)
Hero (BB): $37.85 (151.4 bb)
UTG+1: $25 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $33.73 (134.9 bb)
MP1: $22.85 (91.4 bb)
MP2: $48.96 (195.8 bb)
MP3: $16.71 (66.8 bb)
CO: $35.06 (140.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.75, 4 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, MP2 calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.10) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

Turn: ($5.10) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets $3, MP2 calls $3

River: ($11.10) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $43.46 and is all-in

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Last edited by dogarse; 03-26-2017 at 05:25 AM.

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03-26-2017 , 05:16 AM

Rapidesh123

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 8,674

easy fold lol
more OTT, make it $4-$5

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03-27-2017 , 04:19 AM

Exothermic

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 16,804

Not sure why this is interesting, bigger ott n prob bet/fold river. As played, even if u called n won in this spot u still should've folded, play this hand over an infinite amount of times n i doubt u win more times than not vs any type of player.

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03-27-2017 , 07:20 AM

dogarse

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3,985

Good points, I just thought the stats point to way over-bluffing. The dude clearly likes to put money into pots, often without the best hand. I suppose he could be trapping a hand like TT but I felt like he'd bet all his flush draws and pairs on the flop when checked too. If that's the case it doesn't leave a lot of river value.

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03-27-2017 , 07:56 AM

Ron!n

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 682

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Originally Posted by dogarse

Good points, I just thought the stats point to way over-bluffing. The dude clearly likes to put money into pots, often without the best hand. I suppose he could be trapping a hand like TT but I felt like he'd bet all his flush draws and pairs on the flop when checked too. If that's the case it doesn't leave a lot of river value.

That's exactly what I was thinking about as well. But I think we would need a bit more information to consider calling:
a. Does he indeed bet all his draws on the flop
b. Does he valueshove "light" here and if so how light (ie, is AK a shove? (and not a 4b pre) is QJ a shove?)

If a is true and b is not true (he only shoves flushes for value) then this could be a call because all his valueshoves should have bet the flop.
If both are true then calling becomes dangerous because his valuerange can contain a ton more combinations.
If a is not true calling is dangerous either way.

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03-27-2017 , 03:18 PM

Bagpuss

adept

Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,153

Straight forward enough fold. They've really gotta be getting out of line to consider calling here.

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