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Old 01-25-2009, 09:45 AM   #1
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25NL Video: Takin Redline Maney

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=08FTITSQ

Hey, I finally got this video finished. I have a massive toothache and found it a little difficult to concentrate while doing the commentary so if there's anything I missed that looks non-standard or if I'm spewing nonsense just go ahead and point it out.

I run pretty decent for the first 1/2 or so and then spew some of it back so that's fun. This is actually quite a bit more LAGgy than even I usually play as it's only 6 tables and I get a little spewy with less than 12.

I paused the video at some points to go into more detail on my thought process. I did take some notes while playing so that the commentary stays as close as possible to my original live thought process.

Oh and my SN is obviously censored because I'm paranoid that you guys will pwn me if you know who I am . Here's a quick overview of my HUD so I don't have to jumble it up in the commentary. Preflop stats on top, postflop stats on bottom. VPIP/PFR are the only 2 that change color according to ranges - green = fish, orange/yellow = TAGish, red/purple = TAGish/nit. I do NOT use Aggression Factor:







Enjoy! And please comment!

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Old 01-25-2009, 09:53 AM   #2
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Re: 25NL Video: Takin Redline Maney

cool, looking forward to watch this. What VPIP/PFR did you run?

Also, this was pretty funny imo, isn't that a random code usually?

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Old 01-25-2009, 10:04 AM   #3
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^ haha that's so weird. I ran 27/23, I normally run something like 18/14 when 18 tabling. Just looking at stats (small sample), my steal success % is really low, as is my WtSD. Cbet % is a little on the high side, but w/e it doesn't matter as long as cbet success % is 50%+. Or a lot less actually since I rarely cbet full pot.

Should have ended the video at hand 200 obv
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Old 01-25-2009, 10:08 AM   #4
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Re: 25NL Video: Takin Redline Maney

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Old 01-25-2009, 10:11 AM   #5
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Re: 25NL Video: Takin Redline Maney

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Old 01-25-2009, 12:00 PM   #6
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Re: 25NL Video: Takin Redline Maney

Excellent read with the KK hand on Table four, folding on the J93 flop. Frankly, the BBs smooth-call of the button's raise would worry me much more than the button's raise, especially on this dry board.
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Old 01-25-2009, 12:04 PM   #7
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Re: 25NL Video: Takin Redline Maney

Mega Upload never works for me... sigh.
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Old 01-25-2009, 12:09 PM   #8
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Re: 25NL Video: Takin Redline Maney

Sweet!

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Old 01-25-2009, 12:31 PM   #9
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Re: 25NL Video: Takin Redline Maney

downloading SHIIIIIIIIIP thanks for the pics
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Old 01-25-2009, 12:38 PM   #10
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Re: 25NL Video: Takin Redline Maney

The AJo hand about 7:30. You 3 bet an iso from a tightish player. I'm not sure I like that play. don't you think that AJ might be ok to strong for bluff and weak for value? and you can call expecting the limper to call as well. I dunno I'm unsure about calling as well but it may be viable option if you think the reggy player does iso wide enough. I think you might get into some weird spots post flop if the original raiser calls the 3bet.
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Old 01-25-2009, 12:40 PM   #11
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Old 01-25-2009, 05:24 PM   #12
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Re: 25NL Video: Takin Redline Maney

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Old 01-25-2009, 07:00 PM   #13
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Re: 25NL Video: Takin Redline Maney

AKo on table 1 at 10:20: would you 3bet shove an overpair here? What is the virtue of trying to take this away later instead (crai on the turn)? We make more if he's bluffing (and this guy is bluffing here a lot). If there was no FD, I'd really like a crai on the turn better. As the board actually is, I'm not so sure. Any comments?
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Old 01-26-2009, 12:49 AM   #14
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Re: 25NL Video: Takin Redline Maney

66 hand is spew iyam
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Old 01-26-2009, 08:03 AM   #15
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Re: 25NL Video: Takin Redline Maney

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The AJo hand about 7:30. You 3 bet an iso from a tightish player. I'm not sure I like that play. don't you think that AJ might be ok to strong for bluff and weak for value? and you can call expecting the limper to call as well. I dunno I'm unsure about calling as well but it may be viable option if you think the reggy player does iso wide enough. I think you might get into some weird spots post flop if the original raiser calls the 3bet.
Good points here. My reason for 3betting there is basically that I think that I suck playing this hand OOP multiway. If I hit and BTN cbets and I just call and limper folds I am already going to be looking at a ~$8 pot on the turn. I wouldn't really be comfortable c/r in a lot of spots there with the limper left to act. So I am actually treating AJo as ATC here and make it just a pure bluff the same way as the T5o hand I 3bet him with a little later on. For myself, this is 3bet or fold against this type of player. I would be much more comfortable calling for value against a 30/10 in that spot.

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AKo on table 1 at 10:20: would you 3bet shove an overpair here? What is the virtue of trying to take this away later instead (crai on the turn)? We make more if he's bluffing (and this guy is bluffing here a lot). If there was no FD, I'd really like a crai on the turn better. As the board actually is, I'm not so sure. Any comments?
I agree that a CRAI on the turn is better if the FD isn't there and that is probably the line I would take a little more often (especially if I did have an overpair) - but I find fold equity also gets reduced a lot when the pot gets larger and we get closer to showdown, and he may be more willing to stack off with 88-TT or whatever he has (which is why I would do that with an overpair) if he makes a second larger bet on the turn. Plus I'm almost never going to have Jx there. So I think taking this line to maximize fold equity for for the cheapest amount possible is good too.

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Agreed. If stacks had stayed a little deeper I think this line would have been better. I didn't really notice I had reduced stacks too much on the turn to make a decent river bluff at the time. But I am also positive I am only winning that hand by making him fold. EP ranges are heavily skewed towards 1 pair hands so that was my reasoning for getting so aggro there and I was really surprised that he continued through the turn even though the FD got there plus I could have Tx. idk maybe he had A and continued with that. Just calling the turn there and checking the river to me made me positive this was 1 pair. But you're right, this will probably not work often enough after thinking about it, although it may be close - can't recall if it was 4:1 or 3:1 - I'm not at home right now. On the river I was thinking this is 99, JJ, KK+
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Old 01-26-2009, 09:14 PM   #16
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Re: 25NL Video: Takin Redline Maney

Ok, bump.

JH1, thanks for this vid (and your comments on my question). You play a very interesting style, I really enjoyed watching this.
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Old 01-26-2009, 09:23 PM   #17
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Good points here. My reason for 3betting there is basically that I think that I suck playing this hand OOP multiway. If I hit and BTN cbets and I just call and limper folds I am already going to be looking at a ~$8 pot on the turn. I wouldn't really be comfortable c/r in a lot of spots there with the limper left to act. So I am actually treating AJo as ATC here and make it just a pure bluff the same way as the T5o hand I 3bet him with a little later on. For myself, this is 3bet or fold against this type of player. I would be much more comfortable calling for value against a 30/10 in that spot.
Ok pretty much what I was thinking, just wanted to badger you about it. So when he calls the 3bet and an A72o flop comes you are going to treat your hand as if it was A3o right? (because it basically is in that situ) I think some players might get carried away in that spot.
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Old 01-26-2009, 11:24 PM   #18
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Ok pretty much what I was thinking, just wanted to badger you about it. So when he calls the 3bet and an A72o flop comes you are going to treat your hand as if it was A3o right? (because it basically is in that situ) I think some players might get carried away in that spot.
Exactly. I'm still treating my hand as a bluff if flop is A72 and especially if it is J72. I'd still be cbetting it like normal for 1/2 pot or so, and I might gain some showdown value if my hand strength changes due to turn action, ie. it checks through, and I might be willing to c/c up to 2/3 on the river in that situation, but that's about the only time I'm even considering continuing vs even a little bit of resistance, sometimes.

Like I said, I'm treating this the same as the T5o I 3bet him with a couple orbits later since I consider AJo to be trash in this situation, at least with my non-ability to play it postflop.
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