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07-26-2014 , 06:01 PM

Tilty_McDonkawhirl

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SB: 139.8 BB (VPIP: 42.62, PFR: 21.31, 3Bet Preflop: 12.00, AF: 3.2 Hands: 62)
Hero (CO): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, MP posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has K

fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, MP checks, MP+1 calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 7 BB, fold, SB calls 6.6 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) 5

SB checks, Hero bets 9 BB, SB calls 9 BB

Turn: (36 BB, 2 players) J

SB bets 123.8 BB and is all-in, Hero?

Prob should bet 3/4 - pot off - sorry guys.
V has maniac-like stats. His turn AF is 8.0. I guess that (along with the fact that we've got the third nuts) makes this a call no matter what he has. Or not. Thoughts?

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07-26-2014 , 06:08 PM

Mzbourg

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Not a thread worthy hand, sucks if he somehow played AT or T9 like this, but it's a snap.

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07-26-2014 , 07:13 PM

Tilty_McDonkawhirl

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It's just that I played a similar hand to this one recently where someone had the nuts. Why is he moving in with such a massive over bet without T9, AT or Txhh? Against that range I have just 32% equity, and I need 41% to break even. It just seems like a terrible play to push KJ, KQ, QJ, JJ, QQ ott and expecting to get called by worse.

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07-26-2014 , 07:31 PM

Mzbourg

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Bad players make bad plays. But I don't see that stopping me from calling with topset.

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07-26-2014 , 07:48 PM

Tilty_McDonkawhirl

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Originally Posted by Mzbourg

Bad players make bad plays. But I don't see that stopping me from calling with topset.

Very true. I need to work on leveling.

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07-26-2014 , 10:12 PM

.isolated

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Even if you're beaten you still have equity so lol and call. When you lose, berate them.

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07-26-2014 , 10:23 PM

Tilty_McDonkawhirl

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Originally Posted by .isolated

Even if you're beaten you still have equity so lol and call. When you lose, berate them.

Haha. I thought we aren't supposed to berate the fish since they are most of our profit.

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07-27-2014 , 12:45 AM

ShellPoker

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I think he has AT more often than the pot odds he is making for you.

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Originally Posted by Tilty_McDonkawhirl

fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, MP checks, MP+1 calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 7 BB, fold, SB calls 6.6 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) 5

SB checks, Hero bets 9 BB, SB calls 9 BB

Turn: (36 BB, 2 players) J

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07-27-2014 , 01:57 AM

.isolated

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Originally Posted by Tilty_McDonkawhirl

Haha. I thought we aren't supposed to berate the fish since they are most of our profit.

Exceptions to every rule and such.

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07-27-2014 , 06:00 PM

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HertzDonut

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Call it off every time against a player with those stats. There's no need to plug this in to an equity calculator, a fold would be absurd.

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07-27-2014 , 07:55 PM

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dogarse

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One of my big leaks is putting too much air in Vs ranges and calling down too light (a hang up from being an MTT grinder probably) and having read your threads you seem to be exact opposite, respecting Vs way too much and only playing against the absolute top of Vs value ranges when at this level Vs show up with such random crap and weird bluffs. I like the way that you think about ranges but when Vs take lines like this that don't really make any sense i think you have to add a few more air combos when evaluating your equity.

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07-27-2014 , 08:20 PM

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IPlayNLHE

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Half pot bet on flop is absolutely disgusting. I probably pot it against this villain because he is probably not folding anything that hit part of this board. Also, the flop could only be more wet if the 5s was Ah.

He could have as stupid as Jh10h here you never know and I think you have to call.

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07-27-2014 , 08:25 PM

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WereBeer

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I would call, dude is clearly aggressive and bad and his line makes no sense. I don't see how we can go around folding top pair just because it's possible he has a straight. Apart from anything else, an aggrofish can surely play JJ like this.

Make a note whatever he shows.

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07-27-2014 , 08:41 PM

#14

qwertz1

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Snap...

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07-28-2014 , 01:01 PM

#15

2+8

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Bet more on flop vs fish, 15 bb or so. As played, snap

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07-28-2014 , 02:24 PM

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Tilty_McDonkawhirl

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Originally Posted by dogarse

Yea this is accurate. It just seems like every time I let my guard down and put V's on the lower part of their range they always show up with the nuts. I think one of my biggest leaks is not sticking with my game when I know it's working in the long run, and I wind up calling down too light or folding too strong.

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07-28-2014 , 02:25 PM

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Tilty_McDonkawhirl

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Hero calls 84 BB and is all-in

River: (204 BB, 2 players) T

Spoiler:

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07-30-2014 , 07:57 PM

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Iwanttobelieve

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Very nice hand. If I were villain in this situation I would have put you on Kx or maybe even AQ so when he makes that second pair on the turn, he thinks it's the nuts.

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