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Old 07-18-2012, 03:36 PM   #1
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25NL QQ

    Merge, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
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    Hero (BTN): $25 (100 bb)
    SB: $75.93 (303.7 bb)
    BB: $26.89 (107.6 bb)
    UTG+2: $26.22 (104.9 bb)
    MP1: $48.09 (192.4 bb)
    MP2: $25 (100 bb)
    MP3: $26.82 (107.3 bb)
    CO: $35.63 (142.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q Q
    5 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, SB folds, BB raises to $3, Hero calls $2.25

    Flop: ($6.10) K 3 6 (2 players)
    BB bets $3, Hero calls $3

    Turn: ($12.10) T (2 players)
    BB bets $8, Hero folds

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    Villain is 13/9 over 306 hands. 3bet% of 1.9- he has only 3bet twice in this sample, both times from the BB. This is at the beginning of the session, so no aggro interplay between us. He probably views me around 18/14 with a 50% steal and 50% fold to resteal.
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    Old 07-18-2012, 04:09 PM   #2
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    Re: 25NL QQ

    I am folding that flop, too much of his 3bet range ( AKs,AKo,KQs, JJ+) hit that board.


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    187,110 games 0.001 secs 187,110,000 games/sec

    Board: Ks 3d 6h
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 70.604% 69.02% 01.59% 129138 2970.00 { JJ+, AQs+, KQs, AKo }
    Hand 1: 29.396% 27.81% 01.59% 52032 2970.00 { QQ }
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    Old 07-18-2012, 04:19 PM   #3
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    Re: 25NL QQ

    So we're a 7:3 dog against that range but getting 3:1 to call on the flop and we have position. Definitely gotta take one off. Turn is a clear fold. Well played OP.
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    Old 07-18-2012, 04:57 PM   #4
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    Re: 25NL QQ

    I'd fold to the flop bet.
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    Old 07-18-2012, 04:58 PM   #5
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    Re: 25NL QQ

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    I am folding that flop, too much of his 3bet range ( AKs,AKo,KQs, JJ+) hit that board.


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    187,110 games 0.001 secs 187,110,000 games/sec

    Board: Ks 3d 6h
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 70.604% 69.02% 01.59% 129138 2970.00 { JJ+, AQs+, KQs, AKo }
    Hand 1: 29.396% 27.81% 01.59% 52032 2970.00 { QQ }
    Why did you create a depilarized range?
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    Old 07-18-2012, 05:02 PM   #6
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    So we're a 7:3 dog against that range but getting 3:1 to call on the flop and we have position. Definitely gotta take one off. Turn is a clear fold. Well played OP.
    This is not how equity works on the flop.
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    Old 07-18-2012, 05:26 PM   #7
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    Re: 25NL QQ

    looks fine to me nh.
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    Old 07-18-2012, 05:33 PM   #8
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    Re: 25NL QQ

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    Why did you create a depilarized range?
    IMO range he gave is too wide. 1.9% playing nit stats, Squeezing pre-OOP.
    I'm giving him literally QQ+/AK. Our pre-flop call was fine. . . If someone's truly that nitty. . they're never gonna fold an AA/KK post-3b. Which really makes set-mining with 22~ fine, since his range is so defined we can c/f if A/K/Q hits. Assuming we're getting implied of his stack ~~ (:.

    But yes. fold flop= good. . . If turn=Q, and he gets it in. . He's almost always KK/AA. . not even sure if AK. NitsRnits.
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    Old 07-18-2012, 05:37 PM   #9
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    Re: 25NL QQ

    Good play. His range is certainly crushing your hand on the turn.

    Some say fold on flop others say float and feel.......... either way sux with that flop vs that villain unless a q peels off on the turn. I would float it and then fold with that turn card for sure.
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    Re: 25NL QQ

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    IMO range he gave is too wide. 1.9% playing nit stats, Squeezing pre-OOP.
    I'm giving him literally QQ+/AK. Our pre-flop call was fine. . . If someone's truly that nitty. . they're never gonna fold an AA/KK post-3b. Which really makes set-mining with 22~ fine, since his range is so defined we can c/f if A/K/Q hits. Assuming we're getting implied of his stack ~~ (:.

    But yes. fold flop= good. . . If turn=Q, and he gets it in. . He's almost always KK/AA. . not even sure if AK. NitsRnits.

    Yea I gave a best case scenario, real range should be like QQ+
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    Old 07-18-2012, 05:53 PM   #11
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    Re: 25NL QQ

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    So we're a 7:3 dog against that range but getting 3:1 to call on the flop and we have position. Definitely gotta take one off. Turn is a clear fold. Well played OP.
    You do realize that this is BS right...we are a 7:3 dog against that range if we see turn and river...so you cant compere that with the 3 to 1 for calling the flop.
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    Re: 25NL QQ

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    This is not how equity works on the flop.
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    You do realize that this is BS right...we are a 7:3 dog against that range if we see turn and river...so you cant compere that with the 3 to 1 for calling the flop.
    Getting 3:1 I'm going to look for a reason to call rather than fold. The pot odds are a convenient way to justify a call, but there's also other things to take into consideration such as our position in the hand and possible bluffing equity, especially if a scare card () hits on the turn. Also against a 13/9 player we're probably going to have a very clear idea of where we are at on the turn. If he checks he probably doesn't like his hand so much or is scared of the board and we can either try to move him off it or see the river for free. If he fires again he likes his hand and we can safely fold. But either way I cannot justify folding 2nd pair to the board in a 3 bet pot for only a half pot bet. If I'm making a mistake here it's a small one.
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    Old 07-18-2012, 09:25 PM   #13
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    Re: 25NL QQ

    Well you forgot to take into consideration that he's not cbetting 100% of his range here. he's probably not cbetting JJ/QQ here.

    EDIT: On the turn you are only folding out hands you beat because you are repping a set if you raise.

    EDIT2: If flush hits he's going to c/c 2 streets, especially if he's got As.
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    Old 07-18-2012, 11:15 PM   #14
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    Getting 3:1 I'm going to look for a reason to call rather than fold. The pot odds are a convenient way to justify a call, but there's also other things to take into consideration such as our position in the hand and possible bluffing equity, especially if a scare card () hits on the turn. Also against a 13/9 player we're probably going to have a very clear idea of where we are at on the turn. If he checks he probably doesn't like his hand so much or is scared of the board and we can either try to move him off it or see the river for free. If he fires again he likes his hand and we can safely fold. But either way I cannot justify folding 2nd pair to the board in a 3 bet pot for only a half pot bet. If I'm making a mistake here it's a small one.
    Calling the flop is a big mistake. The Villain could bet his entire range on every street and it's a terrible call.
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