Views on line? flat or 4bet pre? Villain 42/0/0 over 74 hands

Merge - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $53.08
UTG: $30.25
MP: $45.58
CO: $14.96
Hero (BTN): $26.89
SB: $25.25

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has J J

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.55, SB raises to $1.60, BB calls $1.35, Hero raises to $4.00, fold, BB calls $2.40

Flop: ($9.60, 2 players) J 2 8
BB checks, Hero bets $4.75, BB raises to $49.08 and is all-in, Hero calls $18.14 and is all-in

Turn: ($55.38, 2 players) 8

River: ($55.38, 2 players) 4




OK? Line? Villain 19/16/5 over 468 hands


Merge - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BTN): $36.47
SB: $26.20
BB: $27.54
UTG: $25.35
UTG+1: $25.10
MP: $24.90
MP+1: $28.33
CO: $8.20

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has J J

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to $0.75, fold, Hero raises to $2.25, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to $4.50, Hero calls $2.25

Flop: ($9.35, 2 players) Q J 7
MP+1 bets $4.80, Hero raises to $9.60, MP+1 raises to $23.83 and is all-in, Hero calls $14.23

Turn: ($57.01, 2 players) Q

River: ($57.01, 2 players) 7




What about this? A lot of FD's in villain ranges, villains rather unknown, CO 20/11/7 over122hands


Merge - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP+1: $33.99
LP: $26.26
CO: $25.00
Hero (BTN): $32.50
SB: $8.75
BB: $25.76
UTG: $26.01
UTG+1: $42.91
MP: $30.48

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has T T

UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 raises to $1.25, fold, fold, fold, CO calls $1.25, Hero calls $1.25, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($4.35, 3 players) 9 4 5
UTG+1 checks, CO checks, Hero bets $2.50, UTG+1 calls $2.50, CO calls $2.50

Turn: ($11.85, 3 players) J
UTG+1 checks, CO checks, Hero bets $7.00, fold, CO calls $7.00

River: ($25.85, 2 players) A
CO checks, Hero bets $14.50, fold

Hero wins $24.56

Tight fold? Villain 11/6/8 3bet/0 4bet

Merge - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (MP+1): $26.19
CO: $28.83
BTN: $25.00
SB: $26.49
BB: $69.50
UTG: $56.88
UTG+1: $10.80
MP: $25.25

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has A K

UTG raises to $0.75, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2.25, fold, fold, SB raises to $6.37, fold, fold, fold

SB wins $5.50

Hand 1: I assume you mean that the BB is 42/0. Surely you understand that it's your reads on the SB (not provided) which are most important in respect of your decision to 4bet or flat?!

Hand 2: That 4bet is so small that setmining IP is just about acceptable...although are you folding on a 225 flop? How does villain see you? What do you think his 4bet range in this spot is?

We have a one hand per thread rule in this forum (as per the stickies), so I'll leave it there.

H1 - what's our read on SB? if SB 3bets light then I think 4betting is good since a whale who may call your 4bet is involved. But I flat here vs unknowns.

H2 - I'm not really sure what we're trying to accomplish by 3betting. Are we betting for value?

H3 - If we really think that villain's range is draw-heavy then I don't think betting the river accomplishes much as we're just getting worse hands to fold. Only hands that we are bluffing out are probably JsTs, QsJs and KsJs. And I don't think mid and small pairs are calling on that particular board so I just check back.

H4 - played fine I guess.

Just my opinion.

SB had been 3betting rather frequently, he sat on several of my tables.

Yes, for value. Is that bad? No further reads on villain.

Hand 1 - We need reads on SB but I'm happy to flat here. If 4betting isolates the fish then that's okay but there's no way to tell that given the sb's range is unknown. In general I still prefer flatting and playing the hand ip

Hand 2 - What is the MP's fold to 3bet% ? I flat here as he's unlikely to be calling us with anything worse.

Hand 3 - I don't know what you are trying to achieve with the river bet. No worse hands will call but if he was drawing to the nut flush and has the A then you are just valuetowning yourself.

Hand 4 - Why are you 3betting a super nit's utg raise?

It's 83%.

In that case, call with JJ and 3bet him with hands like K7s etc instead.

Hand 1 flat - a 42/0 is a bad, passive player.

Make sure you don't make the common misconception of allowing his bad play to de value your perception of his raising hand strength. His mistake is that he calls too much - not that he raises too much. He hasn't raised a single hand in 72 hands. When he raises, alarm bells should be going off.

Hand 2 flat - likely a decent reg with those stats who probably isn't calling with worse if you 3bet.

3betting puts you in awkward spots if he 4bets - you either have to fold which is not great because your turning JJ into a bluff, flat which is also bad because of reduced SPR/the fact your essentially set mining flop and have to fold if you miss, or 6bet jam which is also bad.

Hand 3 check river - I don't mind turn barrel but river bet is horrible.

You never get called by worse. You also mention "A lot of FD's in villain ranges".

If this is the case our river bet accomplishes nothing. Bar getting called by better.

If you were ever trying to make a case for betting river, you need to tailor your bet sizing around a range which can call a river bet and the texture of the board.

So you need to ask yourself, can a $14.70 river bet get called by worse than 1010 on 945JA?

Answer, no.

So if anything, bet like $4 on the river to get called by 910s etc.

True but this reasoning doesn't fully apply here. KJs, QJs, JTs are definitely in this villain's range and while he won't call a big river bet with them, they do beat us at showdown when we check back.

So I can understand OP betting as a bluff against that part of his range if he has some reads, but that's the only benefit of betting and it doesn't outweigh checking back. We're either winning a relatively small non-showdown pot or lose a big one, so yes checking is better, especially against an unknown.


On all the other hands, what Husker said.

you run like hot fire in every thread you post

ppl have KK+ in FR a lot when they 4bet preflop, you should fold your marginal holdings such as JJ/QQ/AK very often to a lot of preflop aggression

hand 1 is an easy call pre
hand 2 is a fold
hand 3 not sure why you play so aggressively, your TTs are good pretty often here; bluffing is probably okay but I'm not sure you know why you're betting
hand 4 is a fold

H1 - flat.

H2 - flat or fold either is fine I prob fold unless I see he had high 4bet or had 4bet me light in the past

H3 - Good turn bet... Horrible river bet, he has a lot of Ax FD or now 2pairs. Check back.

H4- fold.

You overplay your hands a lot, I sense a big disappointment once you stop running so hot.