Simple question on this one, are we calling or raising this flop bet? Villain is 15/5/2 and donk bets 11%

Well it looks like quite a large donk bet, you'd think if he had a draw or a jack he would rather check call or would lead smaller. If we were gonna cbet we would probably bet the same size as villains donk. It's almost like he's got a set and wants us to spazz raise. A raise from us probably folds out everything we beat so I'm gonna say call and if he bets strong again on the turn its time to let our ladys go?

Villain looks passive, so unless you have a note that he thinks TP is the nuts the decision is call or fold imo.

i dont think calling is an option. your hand already seems marginal against his range so giving him cards at a price of his choosing and the betting lead on such a draw heavy board is out of the question for me.

im like 25-75 on raise calling a jam or folding. there are just so many times we get barrelled off this hand if we start calling down 3 streets. any spade, 5, 10, J, 6, 7, K, A

i suppose you can peel 1 street to see how he progresses but its not nice either way

call, what's the turn look like?

i thought was clear raise

wtf mind blow

raisey daisey imo

raise to $5 for phat value
unless you're a ****ing nit and villain knows it.
need stats on you please

actually yea didn't read hand properly i thought he was 15/12 and donking out of the blinds.

raise to $5. if he ships over the top, idk, sick spot; call if you like variance i guess.

Call. Imo all raising does is give the villain a chance to play pretty well against us. He folds his bluffs and a lot of his hands we beat, he continues with strong draws that have good equity against us and probably 3bets hands we are behind.

And then to the Turn...

Would love us to have the Q of Spades as i would bet really small knowing he cant fold his PP`s to a small bet.

I think you have to bet though as theres a decent amount of money in the pot we dont mind winning straight away and we dont really want to check behind and have a Spade roll off on the river. maybe $3-3.50?

why? your image affects flop hugely. Why are you not addressing flop further? it's not as if there was a consensus to call or anything. was your flop play good or bad? why not sort out one street at a time

oh, and as played ffs bet-fold turn pretty small and not close

raising flop for fat value, bad players can't fold TPTK, which we have beat. He can also be donking 88-TT just hoping you missed, he'll fold these probably but that's ok.

I like MartL's turn bet size - gotta continue to get value from jacks, and the Js isn't folding. It's gotta be a bet/fold, though.

I'm raising a lot of my air on this flop vs his donk bet so I'm certainly raising QQ.

On the turn, it's a very clear bet.

I missed your earlier post, I play 15/11

Also, it's not as though we always get a consensus. I just tend to weigh up the advice given and decide what to do on future. This is weighted towards posters who I know in general tend to give decent advice. It's the nature of the forums.