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2 hands - Should I have laid them down? 2 hands - Should I have laid them down?

04-10-2017 , 08:00 PM
4NL Ring game

Please leave a few notes on either or both. I am posting results in spoilers because I feel they are important to the analysis.

No meaningful stats on any player.

---Hand 1

Hero – BB - 100bb
Villain – UTG - 97bb

Hero has K 9

V limps, folds to Hero. Check.

Flop (2.5bb) = 9 2 K

Hero checks, V bets 1bb, hero calls.

Turn (4.5bb) = T

Hero checks, V bet 3.25bb, hero calls

River (22bb) = 6

Hero checks, V bets 7.5bb, Hero ???

Spoiler:
Hero raises to 16.5bb, V calls

V shows 9 9 for a set and wins the pot.

Was this played well? Was I destine to lose the pot? I do not believe any more aggression on my part would have induced a fold on V's part. I'm not sure I could fold this pot flopping top two pair, even if villain was in with AA, QQ, JJ. Obviously KK, 99, TT, 66 beat me.


---Hand 2

Hero - UTG1 - 79bb
Villain – BTN - 90bb
V2 – SB – 130bb

Hero has Q Q

Fold, Hero raises to 3bb, fold to BTN who calls, SB calls, fold.

Flop (3 players, 10bb) 6 3 7

BB checks, hero bets 10bb, BTN calls, BB folds

Turn (3 Players, 30bb) J

Hero checks, BTN bets 14bb, hero calls

River (56bb) A

Hero ???

Spoiler:
Hero bets 53bb and is All In, V calls

V Shows J 7 for two pair and wins the pot

I felt like my over pair was good and if nothing else, the all in bet on the river w/ the nut flush scare card could induce a fold. I'm a little shocked at the V's play in the BTN so a few comments on his play would be appreciated.
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04-10-2017 , 09:51 PM
h1- bet-raise the flop and get it in OTF, as played, call the river

h2- bet the turn, OTR you can check-call a small bet(like 33%, maybe 50%), more than that it's a fold.
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04-11-2017 , 03:26 AM
Hand 1: I'd bet the flop. Limpers will call lots of pairs and gut shots and whatever.... I don't completely hate check calling the flop tho. Once you check call the flop I think check calling the turn and river is fine on this run out. No way am I ever folding vs a limper on this board.

Hand 2: Bet the turn. As played definitely check and probably fold river depending on bet size.
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04-11-2017 , 07:03 AM
H1: You're losing tonnes of value taking a check/call line.
H2.: Bet Turn, go from there.
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04-12-2017 , 03:52 PM
Hand 1 - With K9 you are crushing the flop given how dry it is, rainbow, K high, next card a 9...I like a check call to allow cards on the turn that bring in some flush and straight draws but raising flop with the aim of getting it in has merit. I'd plan to bet/raise both the turn and river instead.

If it all goes in now on the flop then villain has two pair or a set but there are more 2x combos of weaker hands than hands that beat you:

2 pair - K9(4), K2(6), 92(6) - 16 combos
Set - KK(1), 99(3), 22(3) - 7 combos

Hand 2 - Don't like the pot sized flop bet - this board is firmly a good board for the button. They have more sets and 67s for two pair, 54s for a straight in their pre flop calling range. You being utg+1 are capped in what you can have. This is one board I think a passive check call type line with most of utg+1 range to keep draws in villains range.
River should be a check, villain won't call with worse imo and has too much value calling for you to be bluffing. You can't say "I think I have best hand" as a reason for betting AND "I think I can get worse to fold".

Last edited by Nxia; 04-12-2017 at 03:58 PM.
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04-12-2017 , 05:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lief

I do not believe any more aggression on my part would have induced a fold on V's part.
Apparently the new meta strategy at 4NL is to turn you almost nutted value hands into a bluff to get your opponent to fold an even more nutted hand...

More seriously, you flopped top 2. Your only priority is to get more money into the pot. You can't do that if you just x/c flop. Either lead or x/r big. No Kx is ever folding, good chance 9x doesn't fold either.

Hand 2: bet turn. You can even b/f small river knowing that you'll never run into a river bluff raise. Once again, I question your obsession with making villain fold with your donk jam on the river. It will never fold out better and is a terrible siE for getting value from hands you can beat.
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