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04-12-2017 , 10:11 AM
I didn't 3bet as villain had pfr of 1% in EP which is KK+. Now it's hard for him to have AA/KK here but I just felt at the time that calling down was the best option. Then again I think I my have missed value as he has a VPIP of over 40% and isn't full stacked.

What do you think?

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 141.1 BB (VPIP: 17.35, PFR: 3.57, 3Bet Preflop: 1.35, Hands: 197)
SB: 38.4 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
BB: 77.5 BB (VPIP: 20.75, PFR: 1.89, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 53)
UTG: 71.5 BB (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 6.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 63)
UTG+1: 137.3 BB (VPIP: 16.44, PFR: 10.33, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 376)
MP: 92.5 BB (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
MP+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 14.48, PFR: 10.81, 3Bet Preflop: 6.86, Hands: 745)
Hero (CO): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A

UTG raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 4 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (9.5 BB, 2 players) 6 8 K
UTG bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Turn: (21.5 BB, 2 players) 3
UTG bets 10.2 BB, Hero calls 10.2 BB

River: (41.9 BB, 2 players) Q
UTG bets 19.9 BB, Hero calls 19.9 BB

Spoiler:
UTG shows Q A (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 26%, Flop 2%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows K A (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 74%, Flop 98%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 77.7 BB

1.2 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.

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04-12-2017 , 11:43 AM
the more i think about it, I only have 69 hands on Villain and would have only been in EP about 14 times so doesn't really tell us a lot really. I'm just trying to stop value owning myself and have identified 3betting UTG opens as somewhat of a leak.
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04-12-2017 , 12:43 PM
You are correct in saying his stats are a small sample size. However, the differential between his vpip and pfr are more indicative in this hand. Even over that sample you have to imagine AQ is close to the bottom of his pfr range here. His stats suggest he's limping most other hands.

More relevant questions to learn from this hand are; are you tracking aggression with your HUD? How about CBETS? Of course these also get more reliable over a bigger sample but if he's in 40% of pots, that aggression figure is going to tell you a lot about his strength and potentially about your pre flop action.

If he's fit or fold post flop, you could try isolating pre with the 3 bet (turns out you didn't need it here, but certainly won't always be the case) this type of player probably isn't 4 betting without you crushed, which may prevent you calling down a bunch of streets behind anyway... This line also lets you value bet him to death particularly on ace high/QK boards, for much bigger pots.

You put down 3 betting utg opens as a potential leak. I think this is interesting because it may more be the result of your post flop ak play than this pre flop action. Cc'ing with ak sure gets you in pots with the fish, but you haven't narrowed his range at all, and are turning it into a potentially multiway pot which is definitely not ideal with ak. Also don't forget the equity you are gaining back from the blinds in these situations.

Also what are you doing with your other hands in this spot? Pocket pairs, AQ yourself? Big pairs? If you start flitting ak in this spot, is your range balanced? Let us know.

Take all this with a grain of salt, I'm back in poker for a week after a 10 year hiatus, from which I played limit. lol.

Interested on your thoughts.
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04-12-2017 , 02:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bendy
You are correct in saying his stats are a small sample size. However, the differential between his vpip and pfr are more indicative in this hand. Even over that sample you have to imagine AQ is close to the bottom of his pfr range here. His stats suggest he's limping most other hands.

More relevant questions to learn from this hand are; are you tracking aggression with your HUD? How about CBETS? Of course these also get more reliable over a bigger sample but if he's in 40% of pots, that aggression figure is going to tell you a lot about his strength and potentially about your pre flop action.

If he's fit or fold post flop, you could try isolating pre with the 3 bet (turns out you didn't need it here, but certainly won't always be the case) this type of player probably isn't 4 betting without you crushed, which may prevent you calling down a bunch of streets behind anyway... This line also lets you value bet him to death particularly on ace high/QK boards, for much bigger pots.

You put down 3 betting utg opens as a potential leak. I think this is interesting because it may more be the result of your post flop ak play than this pre flop action. Cc'ing with ak sure gets you in pots with the fish, but you haven't narrowed his range at all, and are turning it into a potentially multiway pot which is definitely not ideal with ak. Also don't forget the equity you are gaining back from the blinds in these situations.

Also what are you doing with your other hands in this spot? Pocket pairs, AQ yourself? Big pairs? If you start flitting ak in this spot, is your range balanced? Let us know.

Take all this with a grain of salt, I'm back in poker for a week after a 10 year hiatus, from which I played limit. lol.

Interested on your thoughts.
Nice post..

I'm going to have to have a think about this and look at each siuation in PT4. Will get back to you with an idea of what I actually do, and what I think I should do, and then work out what I should actually do because I would likely think that all three differ slightly.

Thanks for the reply, it has made me think about it alot more..

Last edited by badbeatles; 04-12-2017 at 02:34 PM.
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