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Old 03-06-2017, 06:13 PM   #1
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what's his range?

ok so the guy is 41/24/3b 14 (17 hands) he is a bronzestar in NL10zoom (fish or 1shot gambler).

so i decide to fold the river, because its a close one on the flop he could either have 66-99 sometimes TT+ (why he didn't 3bet).

and i decide to call flop and turn raises to see if we could go to showdown.

so i don't know his range on the river to shove, anyone can give me his approach thanks.





    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
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    BTN: $16.96 (169.6 bb)
    SB: $16.54 (165.4 bb)
    BB: $10 (100 bb)
    UTG+1: $10 (100 bb)
    UTG+2: $7.79 (77.9 bb)
    MP1: $12.62 (126.2 bb)
    MP2: $10.55 (105.5 bb)
    MP3: $11.25 (112.5 bb)
    Hero (CO): $12.17 (121.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 8 8
    5 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN folds, SB calls $0.25, BB folds

    Flop: ($0.70) 2 2 5 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.40, SB raises to $1.14, Hero calls $0.74

    Turn: ($2.98) 2 (2 players)
    SB bets $2.14, Hero calls $2.14

    River: ($7.26) 6 (2 players)
    SB bets $12.96 and is all-in, Hero folds

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    Old 03-06-2017, 10:45 PM   #2
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    Re: what's his range?

    To me it seems like he either loves his hand or wants to bluff. I don't think he usually jams 5x/6x for value. Basically you have a bluff catcher and unless you have strong read I think its a good fold.
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    Old 03-07-2017, 10:16 PM   #3
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    To me it seems like he either loves his hand or wants to bluff. I don't think he usually jams 5x/6x for value. Basically you have a bluff catcher and unless you have strong read I think its a good fold.
    Bluff catcher? We have an overepair to the board for the full house. We only lose to higher pocket pairs and quads. I absolutely do not think that folding is the right choice. The guy raises you on a 225 board. He either has a pocket pair or a bluff. Many of the pocket pairs we are afraid of reraise pre. I think this is absolutely a hand that we call with.
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    Old 03-07-2017, 10:58 PM   #4
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    Re: what's his range?

    quads, 55 - AA, some air like JTo or something.

    Figure out what type of fish he is, some fish x/r bluff the paired flops and give up turn, others bluff the turn and give up River, others follow through.

    This fish is seems quite aggro..high 3b, high PFR...id prob call here with 88.
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    Old 03-11-2017, 07:14 PM   #5
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    Re: what's his range?

    I am folding this. You need the villain to be bluffing around 33% of the time for this call to be profitable. (I think my maths is right, correct me otherwise)

    Sure he could be bluffing you, but I don't think he is a bluffing as often as you need him to be for a call to be profitable

    The minimum I would call with would be pocket aces, this just seems like quads or a better boat to me (at least AA blocks some of the card combos villain can have)
    Maybe I am being a nit but the over bet jam after a c/r flop and big bet on the turn on a board that is really bad to bluff on seems like a nutted hand

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    Old 03-11-2017, 09:04 PM   #6
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    Re: what's his range?

    I think it's a call tbh. 88 has 55% equity against an all-in range of 99-55,22,A5s,A2s,65s,A5o,A2o on that board. You need to win 35%. He would have 3bet you with hands better than 99 preflop.
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    Old 03-12-2017, 01:04 AM   #7
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    Re: what's his range?

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    I am folding this. You need the villain to be bluffing around 33% of the time for this call to be profitable. (I think my maths is right, correct me otherwise)

    Sure he could be bluffing you, but I don't think he is a bluffing as often as you need him to be for a call to be profitable

    The minimum I would call with would be pocket aces, this just seems like quads or a better boat to me (at least AA blocks some of the card combos villain can have)
    Maybe I am being a nit but the over bet jam after a c/r flop and big bet on the turn on a board that is really bad to bluff on seems like a nutted hand
    AA blocks the combos we want the villain to have. Most of his bluffs include aces. This is fake news.

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    Old 03-12-2017, 01:34 AM   #8
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    Re: what's his range?

    i dont think 99-JJ Raise pre too often i even saw a lot of QQ just flatting there, sometimes he could have a 5 but i think is really close because most of this "monkeys" play overpairs with aggresion on the flop then play it for showdown on the turn, he kept his aggresion so either had KK+ o had the quads and was going for value (that was my read), he could have sometimes semibluffs like A5 but i think those "weak" boats decide to induce and call.

    or he had 37, but i think theres a lot better spots to stack him than this.

    i think i only would call here (sometimes) with QQ+ but even thinking about it.
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    Old 03-12-2017, 01:50 AM   #9
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    I don't have stats on these players so I can't say much about the table dynamics. However, slowplaying pocket pairs at microstakes is a huge leak in my opinion. People are just not skilled enough for that strategy to be profitable. Regardless, we should be thinking about how many hands villain plays this way in this spot and the hand we actually have. We are beaten by a 2, 55, 66 and 99+. All the hands that comprise the rest of villains range are more than enough hands to justify a call here. If you played these stakes and encountered this spot enough times I believe you would show a profit by calling.
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    Old 03-12-2017, 10:36 AM   #10
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    I don't have stats on these players so I can't say much about the table dynamics. However, slowplaying pocket pairs at microstakes is a huge leak in my opinion. People are just not skilled enough for that strategy to be profitable. Regardless, we should be thinking about how many hands villain plays this way in this spot and the hand we actually have. We are beaten by a 2, 55, 66 and 99+. All the hands that comprise the rest of villains range are more than enough hands to justify a call here. If you played these stakes and encountered this spot enough times I believe you would show a profit by calling.
    is not slowplaying, it is trying to take the hand as a showdown with pot control, i won't overplay and lose control to the hand, clearly i lost control of the pot and most of the times when this happen i was behind so i stopped calling.

    i'm adjusting right now in taking a lil more size on my value bets on the river. but otherwise and looking back to this hand i think is a close one but still a fold to me.

    this is my profit with mid pairs JJ-77 (26k hands sample) only losing -18$ with 77 just because two big coolers (set over set) and a bad beat, so i like my strategy with those pairs.
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    Old 03-12-2017, 01:08 PM   #11
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    is not slowplaying, it is trying to take the hand as a showdown with pot control, i won't overplay and lose control to the hand, clearly i lost control of the pot and most of the times when this happen i was behind so i stopped calling.

    i'm adjusting right now in taking a lil more size on my value bets on the river. but otherwise and looking back to this hand i think is a close one but still a fold to me.

    this is my profit with mid pairs JJ-77 (26k hands sample) only losing -18$ with 77 just because two big coolers (set over set) and a bad beat, so i like my strategy with those pairs.
    I wasn't referring to how you played 88. I was referring to the comment you made that opponents might be flatting pre with big pocket pairs in this spot. Just doesn't seem too likely at the stake you're playing. My entire comment was in reference to the villain. Instead of thinking about the villain's range you sent me a chart to try to validate the way you played the hand. Not a productive use of time imo.

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