Would someone please review this hand for me? I will post results after some reviews.









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NL Holdem $0.05(BB)

BTN ($11.37)

HERO ($8.73)

BB ($5.66)

UTG ($7.51)

MP ($5)

MP ($11.32)

HJ ($5.26)

CO ($5)



Dealt to Hero 5 6



UTG Folds, MP Folds, MP Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $0.15 (Rem. Stack: 11.22), HERO Raises To $0.43 (Rem. Stack: 8.28), BB Folds, BTN Calls $0.30 (Rem. Stack: 10.92)



Flop ($0.95) 3 6 K

HERO Bets $0.68 (Rem. Stack: 7.60), BTN Calls $0.68 (Rem. Stack: 10.24)



Turn ($2.31) 3 6 K 5

HERO Bets $1.65 (Rem. Stack: 5.95), BTN Calls $1.65 (Rem. Stack: 8.59)



River ($5.61) 3 6 K 5 9

HERO Bets $3.99 (Rem. Stack: 1.96), BTN Raises To $7.98 (Rem. Stack: 0.61), HERO Calls $1.96 (Rem. Stack: 0.00), BTN $2.03


Here is my SB range vs BTN RFI

Hi,

Well I'm not too sure about the 3bet bluff at NL5 oop. It'd be player dependent, but I have no info on V. His range is capped by just calling.

As a standard player no info I'd guess;

JJ-22, AJs-A2s, KTs+, QTs+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 87s, 76s, 65s, AQo-A9o, KQo. People hate folding to 3bets on the butt in the micros.

His is ace king heavy but I'd cbet 40-50% pot any A-K high board on dry flop because he will have so much crap to shed. Probably wouldn't cbet any wet flop without any hand equity. And obviously if I hit a good flop I'd Cbet for value/build the pot.

On the flop I don't like the bet size. You should wanna take the pot down with your holdings oop so make the rfe more in your favour. Standard players at that level rarely differentiate between a 55-70% pot bet.

His call caps his range again. Very draw heavy but puts your hand ahead of his range. However being out of position with very vulnerable s/d value works against you massively.

The turns a beaut. I don't think you're behind anything he holds at this point. KK 4bet pre, sets 2bet the flop. Value bet to manipulate his odds. If he called 70% pot to draw to a d on the flop or with Kx he's as likely to call an 80% to pot bet now charge more. If he folds he was always likely too anyway. The call completely norrows his range down to kx and XXd. Weighted far mor towards the flush draw.

The river is horrible. And I dislike the bet because after a d falls how likely is it to get called by worse. I'd check with the intention of calling, that way you keep his range wider.


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I'd fold pre unless villain has something like an 80% fold to resteal stat. Even then 56s isn't the greatest hand since it's going to be very difficult to realise your equity with it heads up out of position when called.

As played. Flop is fine. Bet more on the turn since the board is drawy and you're now betting for value. I think betting out on the river is good to get value from K-x hands but when he shoves you're probably done. Having said that though you can make an argument that the pot odds on the final call make calling an option just in case villain is bluffing the flush. Most likely wishful thinking though.

How many Kx do you think he gets there with vs f/d's? I had something like 21 Kx vs 46 flushes.


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I wasn't disagreeing with your original response as I grunched the OP so didn't read it until after I posted.

Ok so I have 48 Kx's versus 6 flush draws. Then again my calling the resteal range was narrower: {22-JJ, any two broadway, except QJ & Q10}

I loaded up your range and got 24 Kx's vs only 19 flushdraws

Even if my range is way too narrow and the number is more even i believe b/f > c/c since we lose a river bet amount with both to the flush but we miss out on a river bet with the c/c when villain has the Kx.

Honestly disagree away. I'm here to learn and test these things out.

I've just realised I'm doing things wrong on this app. So used to laptop work and flopzilla, I'll get to grips with it soon. Think I may have kept every suit except d in.


I see. I understand that, I've definitely defaulted to c/c recently. I'll have to look through pt4 to see if it's working. My major concern with betting (given the bets a properly sized one) is that we're pot stuck?

You'd expect a tighter 3b calling range as standard from the butt?



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I want to thank you guys for the reviews!

The villain had been playing tight for 60 or so hands then it was like he got bored and opened up his range.

So that's my thinking as he opens to 3x which was the normal size open for the table. I see I have 65s so I 3b figured I would take the pot down. Regardless I like to mix some of weakest holdings in as 3bets and fold if called on the flop if I don't realize any equity.

Well we all know that didn't happen.So I'm not gonna replay hand. But on the river I bet out cause I figured he would just call and I would save myself some cash I didn't think he would shove. When he did I knew I was beat figured he hit the flush. But with the pot odds just couldn't see folding also figured it would be a bigger exploit folding.

He rolls over Ks9c

So someone stated the players don't realize bet sizing and **** at this level. So does that mean I should assume the villain isn't even capable of a River bluff shove?


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Into that pot I would. I'd assume until proven otherwise that raises and shoves on turn and river are pretty straight forward, at these levels it's more of a case players tend not to bluff enough. Those that do bluff tend to bluff too much and stand out.

Yeah I can't tell you how often I low pot% cbet over folders to cbets when I have a low equity hand and then increase the bet sizes when I have a hand and the same players pay me of. They're largely inelastic. Not all but as a default I assume so.


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I really don't know. We're kinda operating in a vacuum here so I just used my own calling range with maybe 50% extra on top. I only discovered Flopzilla myself recently so I definitely need to do more work on calling ranges for villains.

Im gonna completely honest im starting to think its a waste of time to play at this level.

A quick history i have been playing for 17 years the problem is i have never taken it seriously won some money lost some money. Online never have had good luck again i have always played 1-2 and higher. Ive probably donked off 10k but you know what who cares i had a blast doing it. Not that i like to loose but at the time i was having fun. I haven't played online since 2015 and have started again cause i am practicing for live. I am gonna start at 1-2 with a 20K bankroll and hopefully work my way up. Hoping i have learned enough to start playing live in January but not gonna rush anything this time.

So i finally decide i am gonna start to study poker and take it serious. So i am following what people say start at 5nl and work your way up. The problem is i am trying to change things to beat 5nl that i know will get me crushed at the higher levels. So i am back to what is the point of micros? The things i have learned micros so far. Build hand ranges take my time don't play trash how to recognize when i am tilting. Other then that i have learned to play in a way that is gonna get me crushed at levels above.

So if someone cares to share with me what it is i am missing that would be great. I have no problem continuing to play micros i just need to know what it is i am supposed to accomplish. Besides the fact that i should be able to beat the level i am playing.

Sorry for rambling. Thanks for reading

Well it depends how your budget is in terms of affording to learn.

That's all this is really, I'd prefer to learn for as cheap as possible. So I'm moving up the levels as my game lets me.

What you should be learning isn't applicable to just one level, it's the building blocks to breaking down poker situations and being able to draw your own conclusions. Then using those conclusions to better your own play. You shouldn't be learning habits that are taken forward but the ability to asses.

So the micros has to be played in a value weighted mindset? Yes that's true but how do you know?

Plus honestly any low/mid level player winning at a decent rate might initially have some adjustment issues. But it wouldn't be too long before they're winning really well at the micros.



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Man this was well said. That makes a lot of sense to me. I will continue to grind away at 5nl. Thanks for your response. I need to find a study group that i can skype with or something a long those lines. Have you tried anything like that before?

I think moving up through the various limits is like a process where you build up your poker skillset. If your skillset is limited you may not be able to beat any limits. All of the knowledge gained is deposited over the previous knowledge in layers.

Playing the likes of 2nl and 5nl builds up your card selection skills and your ability to extract value from bad players. The easiest way to beat those limits is to play less hands but with the proviso that when you do play and hit you have to maximise your value by betting big. You'll also be learning about the different opponent types and how best to play against them. This is the foundation for hand-reading which is one of the most important skills. You don't have to be particularly good at putting your opponents on a hand range to beat these limits but you should know enough to dump a hand when certain villain types start to play back at you.

You can beat these limits by being a big nit. Opening with a very narrow range. (say 11/8 VPIP/PFR 2% 3bet)

As you move to higher limits you'll have to become a TAG. You'll need to open up your range to maintain your win-rate. The best ways of doing this is opening up your range in late position. This way you can often pick up the blinds or if you're called then you'll have position at least post-flop. You also quickly learn that you can start picking on nits. Since you know they're mostly folding you can abuse their blinds and c-bet them a lot when they cold call (since a huge part of their calling range is pocket pairs that they dump after missing sets). You can also start 3betting a bit more when the right opportunities arise (in position versus villain's who open wide and fold a lot to 3bets). An example of TAG stats would be 15/13 with 4% 3bet.

Next up then is the LAG. It's basically the same transition. You open more, 3bet more and even start 4betting light. Much like the way TAG can pick on the nit since he knows their gameplan the LAG can pick on both for the same reason. A good LAG knows that a lot of TAGs are solid pre-flop but tend to be fairly robotic post-flop following a lot of standard lines. They're generally very good hand readers and look for spots where they can apply a lot of pressure and pick up a lot of pots through targeted aggression. This is in contrast to the Aggrodonk fish types who try and win with blind-aggression.

As you climb up up the micro-ladder you see less nits and more LAGS. In many cases the LAGs at the higher levels were former nits who learned as they went along. For this reason if a player cannot beat the lower limits then they have almost no hope of beating the higher limits in the long-run since they're going to be competing against a higher standard of regular player.

Well just when i didnt think i would get a better response then the last. You write this. Now this really puts it in perspective for me. I will be grinding 5nl till my play tells me to move up.

What about you. You every join a study group or anything like that?

What site do you guys recommend? Ignition Americas card room or another US friendly


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I'm English bud so not too sure. I find it really odd that in a free country people have trouble getting online to play a game they love. I did however put some money on (and still have it on) American cardroom, this is because it got me a free copy of flopzilla when I signed up through gripsed.

So for a $25 deposit I got a $50 piece of software I always wanted. Love that value. I played the site too, it's dead soft and I quickly ran the deposit upto $125.

But the software seemed clunky and traffic wasn't great compared to 888's main room or pokerstars. So I decided to cash it out, that's when I realised it wasn't so easy to do. Cashing out from an American room to Britain is complex. I decided to leave it on and use the site to train on in the future.

I haven't Skyped or done a study group but would be open to that in the future. In the middle of a house move that's taking ages so my stuffs all over the place.

Can I ask who you've read?

If you haven't already grab a copy of the grinders manual, it's up to date, well thought of and very expansive. He claims it's university level textbook covering all aspects of nl. It's not because the games to big for that, but it is great.

It builds from fundamentals up. And shows through hand examples how it all fits together and how to think about it all so you can better adjust vs different players. It is really good.


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Most of the knowledge I picked up for cash games was from this forum. (it used to be a lot more active than it is now). I found the Concept of the Week series that ran back in 2009/2010 really good. I played 2nl ->25nl back in 2008/2009 but then stopped playing for years apart from the occasional short term foray. I've only started playing regularly again in the past 2 months. I've noticed recently that there are some decent strategy videos on youtube. Definitely keep posting hands though and also try and give your opinion on other people's hands. If you don't feel comfortable doing that just do it at limits lower than you play yourself

I'm european so I can play on Pokerstars. There are no Americans on it anymore and a lot of the larger population countries have been siphoned off to their own national versions (e.g. Italy and Spain). The majority of the regs appear to be from eastern europe and it seems to be trickier at any given limit then it used to be (but that might just be selective recall on my behalf)

Never heard of this before but just went looking there and all I found was a 6max book. Are the lessons in it still fairly applicable to full ring? Is it worth a read beyond beginner level?

Yeah its fine to use for full ring, the books more to teach you how to look at the game, the author does qualify this at the beginning by explaining its obviously aimed at 6 max but has plenty of take away for full ring. it comes highly recommended.

I will be picking the PDF up shortly. Thanks for the suggestion.


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