question .. i what reality this variance are posible in i dont know 100 hands when downs start???

i forgot to mention! every downswing start with hands like that AA, after that thay will just hit everything all deals in a row you will just lose ...

sorry is for 250 hands!

any answer with argument????

and we go again .. "new player" strike again .. all this in one day?? this and much more from today! today is worst hand will hit every time game! i can post like this hand all day, when thay wont you just cant win against "new player"

Full Tilt - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 40 BB
BTN: 72.5 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
SB: 71.2 BB (VPIP: 15.44, PFR: 5.77, 3Bet Preflop: 0.53, Hands: 1,505)
BB: 197.9 BB (VPIP: 22.81, PFR: 7.98, 3Bet Preflop: 1.00, Hands: 266)
UTG: 88.7 BB (VPIP: 16.03, PFR: 6.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.48, Hands: 551)
UTG+1: 76 BB (VPIP: 16.84, PFR: 12.01, 3Bet Preflop: 2.55, Hands: 1,175)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.51, PFR: 9.17, 3Bet Preflop: 2.50, Hands: 113)
MP+1: 95.7 BB (VPIP: 79.17, PFR: 34.72, 3Bet Preflop: 13.04, Hands: 73)
Hero (MP+2): 111.7 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, CO posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has A Q

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, BTN calls 4 BB, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 3 BB

Flop: (14.5 BB, 3 players) A J A
MP+1 checks, Hero bets 6 BB, BTN calls 6 BB, fold

Turn: (26.5 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero bets 20 BB, BTN raises to 40 BB, Hero raises to 101.7 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 22.5 BB and is all-in

River: (151.5 BB, 2 players) 9

the day is over, the variations were killed me, I hate days like this! hope that I will dont post any hands today! ))))

but you just cant win! 3 days in a row start exactly same!!! and you said its not rigged??? i give you ***** proof every day!!! what chance is to start every day like this??? to hit all this in 25 hands?? is this normal va****** for every day in a row??? yea, just for fools .. give that statistical distribution, if you even know what is that, to prove that this is possible 3 days in a row

Full Tilt - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 102.4 BB (VPIP: 31.58, PFR: 13.16, 3Bet Preflop: 3.77, Hands: 155)
Hero (BB): 202.8 BB
BTN: 131.4 BB (VPIP: 23.60, PFR: 12.41, 3Bet Preflop: 6.36, Hands: 441)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 7 7

BTN raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, BTN calls 2 BB

Flop: (8.4 BB, 2 players) 8 A 7
Hero bets 6 BB, BTN calls 6 BB

Turn: (20.4 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 19 BB, BTN calls 19 BB

River: (58.4 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero bets 58.4 BB, BTN raises to 102.4 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 44 BB



Full Tilt - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+2: 224.6 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 2.05, 3Bet Preflop: 3.95, Hands: 197)
CO: 120.5 BB (VPIP: 53.57, PFR: 10.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 84)
BTN: 82.5 BB (VPIP: 17.07, PFR: 12.12, 3Bet Preflop: 2.50, Hands: 1,206)
SB: 119 BB (VPIP: 42.15, PFR: 13.22, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 122)
BB: 8.9 BB (VPIP: 39.27, PFR: 6.36, 3Bet Preflop: 1.39, Hands: 1,052)
UTG: 97 BB (VPIP: 27.89, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 2.04, Hands: 147)
UTG+1: 55 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 4.17, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
Hero (MP): 232.8 BB
MP+1: 270.3 BB (VPIP: 38.10, PFR: 8.57, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 105)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, MP+1 calls 4 BB, MP+2 calls 4 BB, CO calls 4 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 8.9 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 4.9 BB, MP+1 calls 4.9 BB, MP+2 calls 4.9 BB, CO calls 4.9 BB

Flop: (45 BB, 5 players) J Q 8
Hero bets 23 BB, MP+1 calls 23 BB, fold, CO calls 23 BB

Turn: (114 BB, 4 players) J
Hero checks, MP+1 checks, CO checks

River: (114 BB, 4 players) T
Hero checks, MP+1 checks, CO bets 25.5 BB, Hero calls 25.5 BB, MP+1 calls 25.5 BB



Full Tilt - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 52.9 BB (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 2.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 46)
MP+2: 80 BB
CO: 96.6 BB (VPIP: 43.42, PFR: 4.60, 3Bet Preflop: 1.73, Hands: 812)
BTN: 141.6 BB (VPIP: 52.94, PFR: 10.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 68)
SB: 87.3 BB (VPIP: 15.89, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.47, Hands: 562)
BB: 102.3 BB (VPIP: 41.90, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 6.06, Hands: 106)
UTG: 39.6 BB (VPIP: 22.89, PFR: 11.16, 3Bet Preflop: 0.66, Hands: 4,099)
UTG+1: 92.9 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
Hero (MP): 290 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, CO posts penalty blind 1 BB, MP+2 posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 3.5 BB) Hero has 4 4

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, Hero calls 1 BB, MP+1 calls 1 BB, MP+2 checks, CO checks, BTN raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB, UTG calls 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, MP+1 calls 2 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (20 BB, 6 players) J 4 K
SB checks, BB bets 5 BB, fold, Hero calls 5 BB, fold, BTN calls 5 BB, fold

Turn: (35 BB, 3 players) 9
BB bets 35 BB, Hero calls 35 BB, fold

River: (105 BB, 2 players) 5
BB bets 59.3 BB and is all-in, fold



Full Tilt - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 53.2 BB (VPIP: 41.08, PFR: 6.75, 3Bet Preflop: 4.67, Hands: 2,029)
Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 175.6 BB (VPIP: 23.43, PFR: 10.29, 3Bet Preflop: 2.03, Hands: 531)
BB: 120.6 BB (VPIP: 52.38, PFR: 7.94, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 64)
UTG: 108.4 BB (VPIP: 39.34, PFR: 5.35, 3Bet Preflop: 2.97, Hands: 246)
UTG+1: 210.8 BB (VPIP: 22.90, PFR: 11.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.66, Hands: 4,105)
MP: 102.8 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
MP+1: 146.8 BB (VPIP: 23.77, PFR: 5.04, 3Bet Preflop: 1.09, Hands: 993)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A A

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, SB calls 3.6 BB, fold, UTG calls 3 BB

Flop: (13 BB, 3 players) 2 8 T
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 13 BB, SB calls 13 BB, UTG calls 13 BB

Turn: (52 BB, 3 players) 8
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

River: (52 BB, 3 players) 4
SB bets 33 BB, fold, Hero calls 33 BB



all this again in 200 hands???? in 3 days in a row??? yea thats are normal variance!

one more thing .. This is the fifth time this month to get to $ 500, and the fifth time I stripped down, like I hit a wall?!! what is probability to hapen every time on 500$???

you know that str8 hit on river up?? same monkey! do you se what I lose every day???? against same player in 30 hands???? and its not rigged??? yea its not!!!

Full Tilt - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 280 BB (VPIP: 31.94, PFR: 2.78, 3Bet Preflop: 4.49, Hands: 218)
UTG+1: 232.3 BB (VPIP: 57.72, PFR: 13.01, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 123)
MP: 91.5 BB (VPIP: 16.94, PFR: 12.08, 3Bet Preflop: 2.44, Hands: 1,227)
MP+1: 110.5 BB (VPIP: 38.13, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 161)
CO: 25.5 BB (VPIP: 31.88, PFR: 12.68, 3Bet Preflop: 3.00, Hands: 278)
BTN: 58 BB (VPIP: 27.38, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 1.72, Hands: 168)
Hero (SB): 167.3 BB
BB: 220.6 BB (VPIP: 37.30, PFR: 7.94, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 126)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q A

fold, UTG+1 raises to 3.5 BB, fold, MP+1 calls 3.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, BB calls 2.5 BB

Flop: (14 BB, 4 players) A Q 9
Hero bets 8 BB, fold, UTG+1 calls 8 BB, fold

Turn: (30 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero bets 27 BB, UTG+1 calls 27 BB

River: (84 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 63 BB, UTG+1 calls 63 BB



how I can lose all this, how thay hit every deals in a row???? and every day same???

FULL TILT IS RIGGED .. NEED MORE PROOF??? I WILL POST!

The more hand histories you post the more it becomes clear that "variance" is not your problem.

If you think the site is rigged why do you continue playing there?

just call because you know he must hit that you must lose ...

Full Tilt - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 118.3 BB (VPIP: 17.11, PFR: 0.55, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 924)
UTG+1: 118.2 BB (VPIP: 59.72, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 144)
MP: 93.1 BB (VPIP: 46.43, PFR: 10.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
CO: 196 BB (VPIP: 37.02, PFR: 11.05, 3Bet Preflop: 2.74, Hands: 182)
BTN: 62.7 BB (VPIP: 27.59, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
SB: 171.7 BB (VPIP: 53.33, PFR: 8.89, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 45)
Hero (BB): 257.3 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 7

UTG calls 1 BB, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, MP calls 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, BTN calls 1 BB, fold, Hero checks

Flop: (6.5 BB, 6 players) Q 7 K
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: (6.5 BB, 6 players) J
Hero checks, UTG bets 4 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 4 BB

River: (14.5 BB, 2 players) K
Hero checks, UTG bets 20 BB, Hero calls 20 BB

variance is not my problem??? please tell me how what chance is to lose all that to lose every 70% hands in a row every day??? how thay can hit all that in a row??
and how every time starts in same time???? 3 days in a row at the same time ??? coincidence ?? you will play same hands diferent??? please tell me how you will play all that hands???

This is your second infraction for posting this garbage. Do it again and you're banned.

and explain to me how against same players who play perfectly same i have 15BB/100 on nl5 and 4BB/100 on NL10 .. is everything is same, than just variance are diferent ... please explain to me how in same time in same poker room variance can be so diferent on to level????

Please can you answer this question? I have asked it a few times now yet you always choose to ignore it.

just in last 5 days .. hit 500$ go down, hit 500% go down ...

because I play without deposit, win freeroll 5$ and start to play

i also ask same questions but nobady answer to me

So, 10k hands and you're breaking even and running $5 over EV. What's the problem?

Remember the biggest crushers are only winning at 5bb/100... which means in 2000 hands they could be losing 20 stacks and winning 21 stacks. Or in 100,000 hands losing 1000 stacks and winning 1050 stacks. Think about the swings in the graph to end up with that profit.

That's just the reality of poker.

People answer you, just not with the answers you want so you choose to ignore them.

Your graph looks totally normal. Gap between winnings and AIEV is never even more than 6BI. Completely standard and lol sample size. Fwiw I am 9BI below EV this month but I recognise that is standard variance and part of the game so I don't go carpet bombing the forum with a load of garbage whiny posts.

Plenty of people run far worse and take it in their stride. Quit acting like a baby. Go look at a variance calculator. If you really don't trust the site then withdraw your roll and deposit it elsewhere. Continually spouting nonsense in here achieves nothing.

Split, can't you delete all the crap from this thread that has totally derailed it from its intended purpose?

must show this hands .. same players, 2 deals in a row ... and i dont see this first time ... this is just crazy ... and this guy who win, his all in line is 15bb below money, newer see happier than him

Full Tilt - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 223.8 BB (VPIP: 13.42, PFR: 6.52, 3Bet Preflop: 3.13, Hands: 13,972)
BB: 140.1 BB (VPIP: 17.34, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 4.46, Hands: 1,592)
UTG: 75.3 BB (VPIP: 44.83, PFR: 13.79, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 29)
Hero (UTG+1): 135.7 BB
MP: 79.7 BB (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 5.26, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
MP+1: 122.2 BB (VPIP: 22.87, PFR: 16.18, 3Bet Preflop: 3.78, Hands: 1,560)
MP+2: 149.5 BB (VPIP: 13.18, PFR: 7.37, 3Bet Preflop: 3.38, Hands: 6,633)
CO: 78.7 BB (VPIP: 25.06, PFR: 12.59, 3Bet Preflop: 2.85, Hands: 1,185)
BTN: 67.9 BB (VPIP: 54.42, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 1.37, Hands: 151)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5 3

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 2 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 2 BB, SB raises to 11 BB, BB raises to 39 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 223.8 BB and is all-in, BB calls 101.1 BB and is all-in

Flop: (286.2 BB, 2 players) 8 6 4

Turn: (286.2 BB, 2 players) Q

River: (286.2 BB, 2 players) K



Full Tilt - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 354 BB (VPIP: 13.43, PFR: 6.53, 3Bet Preflop: 3.15, Hands: 13,981)
SB: 88 BB (VPIP: 17.41, PFR: 12.10, 3Bet Preflop: 4.41, Hands: 1,604)
BB: 73.3 BB (VPIP: 46.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 30)
Hero (UTG): 135.7 BB
UTG+1: 79.7 BB (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
MP: 120.2 BB (VPIP: 22.98, PFR: 16.18, 3Bet Preflop: 3.75, Hands: 1,566)
MP+1: 149.5 BB (VPIP: 13.18, PFR: 7.38, 3Bet Preflop: 3.38, Hands: 6,639)
CO: 78.7 BB (VPIP: 25.04, PFR: 12.53, 3Bet Preflop: 2.82, Hands: 1,190)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 4

fold, fold, MP raises to 3 BB, MP+1 calls 3 BB, fold, BTN raises to 13 BB, SB raises to 46 BB, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 354 BB and is all-in, SB calls 42 BB and is all-in

Flop: (183 BB, 2 players) 4 Q 2

Turn: (183 BB, 2 players) A

River: (183 BB, 2 players) 7

bornsleepy..Please stop posting like this! I had never seen so much junk in so a short time...Please post in the beats/variance section or start your own tread in "poker goals & challenge"..Please try to show some respect to the other users and stop spamming like u are doing. .hope u can understand..I doubt. ..but I hope.

ok ok .. i know .. but I must share this two hands .. how many time u can see somethig like that??

and one more thing .. maybe is crazy for you but its not normal for me, i dont post last graph to see how i play, i post to be seen when downswing start, and its every time on 500$, today two more time! as i achieve some over 500$, even 500,10$ i just start to lose every next hands ... a i know i know u will say anything but i can post graph again to be seen, and again this day start the same! that is just to way crazy for me

p.s. i will stop to post now

sorry just these two my hands and quit .. this is also 2 deals in a row against same villian ... and when u see this 2 hands from today, and this two ... can someone here to calculate the probability for that to happeen??? again, same villian 2 deals in a row ... because i know chance for this two to happen, and those two before ... how u can see all that in just 2k hands??? really like someone to answer me ... we talk here just about variance and probability

Full Tilt - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 73.8 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP+2: 30.6 BB (VPIP: 35.00, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 20)
CO: 92.6 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
BTN: 102.6 BB (VPIP: 23.45, PFR: 10.36, 3Bet Preflop: 2.13, Hands: 850)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 142.8 BB (VPIP: 22.41, PFR: 5.94, 3Bet Preflop: 3.83, Hands: 598)
UTG: 111.2 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
UTG+1: 234.6 BB (VPIP: 24.50, PFR: 19.21, 3Bet Preflop: 6.56, Hands: 153)
MP: 152.6 BB (VPIP: 10.97, PFR: 9.02, 3Bet Preflop: 1.86, Hands: 1,844)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K K

fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+2 calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, MP+2 calls 4 BB

Flop: (11 BB, 2 players) 3 6 6
Hero bets 11 BB, MP+2 calls 11 BB

Turn: (33 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero bets 33 BB, MP+2 calls 14.6 BB and is all-in

River: (62.2 BB, 2 players) Q



Full Tilt - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 73.8 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP+1: 58.6 BB (VPIP: 38.10, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 21)
MP+2: 92.6 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
CO: 102.6 BB (VPIP: 23.42, PFR: 10.34, 3Bet Preflop: 2.13, Hands: 851)
Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 141.8 BB (VPIP: 22.37, PFR: 5.93, 3Bet Preflop: 3.81, Hands: 599)
BB: 111.2 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
UTG: 234.6 BB (VPIP: 24.34, PFR: 19.08, 3Bet Preflop: 6.56, Hands: 154)
UTG+1: 152.6 BB (VPIP: 11.01, PFR: 9.06, 3Bet Preflop: 1.86, Hands: 1,847)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A A

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 4 BB

Flop: (11.4 BB, 2 players) T 4 9
MP+1 checks, Hero bets 11.4 BB, MP+1 raises to 53.6 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 42.2 BB

Turn: (118.6 BB, 2 players) 8

River: (118.6 BB, 2 players) 9