hi quick question.... Im a bit too lazy to make an image shack account to post a picture of my graph but here goes. I'm 6k hands in to 5NL and so far my winnings are -5.56 and my all in ev is $31.06. I play a TAG style with stats of 14/11.... Does this indicate anything about how I am playing this level? Should I expect good things to start happening?

Thanks!

beside the fact that 6khands ist air, are you for real?

you are to lazy to give us properly information and expect us to invest time in answering you?

You don't need an imageshack account for uploading images :P

Any input on my graphs are greatly appreciated. The sad part is, if it wasn't for my red line I would be a looser.

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Sorry I posted my pics first. The previous post is obviously mine. Anyways, I've finished my first 50k hands at 25nl and I'm not happy with the results. In the last 10k hands, ive lost everything that I earned in my first 40k hands.

I would greatly appreciate it if you could me your 2 cents by analyzing my graph and positional stats. I'm having trouble playing 10 - aces in ep(I keep getting set mined and I don't have the discipline to lay down my jj's - aces on the flop to a reraise). I already notice that my cbet is extremely high.

Thanks a lot

P.S The overall steal % is reported wrong. It's not 12%, it's actually 35.6%.

your sample is too small and is currently being affected by a lot of variance. This is not always the case in 15k hands, but there is really nothing useful that can be said based on this particular 15k hands. Your stats look ok for NL $10, although I am somewhat surprised to see somebody making money at $10 who is also limp/calling in EP. I thought that strategy had become unprofitable at the dime.

Is there any place where it is possible to see several winning players stats? (at least 10) (FRNLHM mid/high stake). TY for the tips!

Thanks for taking a look at my graphs. I'll get some more hands logged in 10NL and post again later. I'm wondering how I go about filtering for limped pots. I absolutely hate limping but if you see me limping in pots I'd like to find them and hopefully find out why I was limping.

This graph I had filtered EP, MD, Unopened Pots, PFR = False, Put $ in the Pot = True.

Thanks again for you input.

The filters you ran were fine for finding your limps first in.

I saw the ~2% gap between your vpip and your pfr in EP and assumed you were limp/calling small pockets. Normally, with players who don't limp/call, I see a vpip/pfr in EP of about 8.6/8.0 or so. If you're not limp/calling, then you have a pretty wide cold calling range in UTG +1. Not that it is necessarily a leak; just that it is what threw me off. My bad.

You ARE completing a wide range in the small blind, so you may run a filter to see if that is a leak. That set of filters is action facing player = unopened, 1 limper and 2+ limpers, vpip = true, pfr = false. You can also filter for position = small blind, but if you run the filter from the position page that's not necessary.

Awesome thanks again for taking your time to look over my graphs. I'll take a look at my UTG+1 range and also my SB range to see if making to many calls with not so great hands.

as far as I know, there is no such place. But if you have specific questions, I'm happy to try to answer them. I have seen the stats for a lot of mid to high stakes players and I can tell you a lot of things about them. But the most important thing to tell you about them is that they look very similar to the stats of winning micro and small stakes grinders.

Good play leads to good stats at all levels.

The details of what constitutes good play are a bit different at all levels. For example, the first time I looked at the stats of a mid stakes grinder, I filtered for "all in preflop = true," and saw that his range to get all in preflop fairly routinely was TT+ and AQ, and that he was losing about 3bb/hand when he shipped the bottom of his range.

Now, if a player at NL $10 shows up with any significant number of stack offs with TT in his database, I am going to tell him it is a leak. But for the guy whose DB I was in, -3bb/hand with AQ and TT was what we called "a reasonable advertising budget," that was necessary to establish to the field of solid opponents that his value range was as light as TT and AQ.

So, in some respects, what constitutes good stats varies from level to level. But it doesn't really vary at the level of resolution we are looking at in this thread. Good TAg's stats-- at all levels -- all look about the same on the position report page and on the overall report page. they all steal about the same, get to showdown within narrow parameters, and win at showdown within narrow parameters.

The same for good LAgs.

One thing I have noticed recently are that there are really two types of post flop players. The first type is what I call the quantity player, and the second is what I call the quality player. here's the difference:

The excellent quantity player has ridiculously aggro stats on the flop. He is often a 5-7% aggression factor, and he usually has a flop c-bet stat in the high 70s to low 80s. His win rate on the flop is very low--usually in the neighborhood of 100bb/100 hands, and his win rate after the flop (but before showdown) is usually negative at all stages.

This type of player is basically making money off the volume of his bets. He c-bets every reasonable opportunity on the flop and shuts down unless he has a monster he will take to showdown. He has an absurdly low turn c-bet %; something in the 30s is typical. His won money at showdown is often at, or just barely below, 50%

The other type of player I call the quantity player. This player picks his spots very carefully. His stats tend to show low betting frequencies--so he maybe bets the flop 55-60% of the time, but then he bets the turn 45-55% of the time. Being careful with his c-bets makes his flop win rate significantly higher than the quality player--so for these players I see win rates on the flop of about 300 or 400bb/100 hands. He makes his money after the flop exploiting players who will float the flop and then fold to a turn double. He makes his money on the few quality hands he has. Consequently, he usually wins a higher percentage of his showdowns than the average "quantity" player.

It used to be that the quality player was a TAg, and the quantity player was a LAg. But these days, i see both LAgs and TAgs showing up post flop as both quantity and quality players. The thing that correlates most with which of these post flop styles you are playing is not whether your pre flop stats are LAg or TAg, but how many tables you play (mass multi-tablers tend to be quantity players, and people playing fewer tables tend to be quality players.

I don't see any correlation between overall win rate and preflop stats or whether a person plays quality or quantity post flop. I have seen excellent win rates from all four possible permutations:

Quality TAg
Quality LAg
Quantity TAg
Quantity LAg

just to clarify the permutations.

I've recently been considering rewriting the OP of this thread to modernize it, but I am loathe to re-write history and just erase the OP like that. So I dunno what, if anything, I am going to do.

Anyway, if you have questions, I'll answer them as best I can.

OP, First of all, thank you for all the time that you take to answer our questions in this thread.

Then, I would like to add that your OP is really awesome, and it helped me a lot when I saw it for the first time. Really, this OP provides all the basis (and even more) that allows you to read your stats on the tracker. Thanks to you I learned how to read my HEM stats and was able to compare my stats to baja's and charger's.

As many other readers of this thread, I guess, I will be very happy if you rewrite, modernize the OP !!!!!! (The OP is excellent, no need to change it if you like it. Just add few tips, and for ex, new stats )

Mpeth owns this thread so hard imo.

Hi, really great that you are still answering questions!

I'm trying to pin down a lot of leaks, and I noticed my winrate is highest early, and gradually decreases as I get closer to the button ...actually it looks like this:

early --> 28bb
middle --> 9bb
co --> 2.25bb
btn --> -35bb

isnt this really strange??

sample size is 1k to 1.5k for each position

does this mean I have a huge leak in overplaying position? I think I may be playing early best and somewhat tricky because I have so much respect for position and expect my opponents to read fairly well when I'm opening early.

sorry for so shamelessly bumping but I would really love to hear/read mpethybridge's comments about the stats

This is just variance from your sample being small. I ran similar stats for about 100k hands last year and was really starting to think that it was related to being able to play my hand strength well (you are stronger in EP) and playing my position poorly.

But eventually my stats returned to normal, with my wr increasing as I moved closer to the button. Yours will, too.

You have two main leaks that I can see:

Blind loss rates too high. I've posted a lot about this on this page and the last. There are 3 big leaks people have in the blinds:

a, cold calling. This is two separate leaks. One is cold calling good hands but then misplaying them postflop (AQ, AJ, KQs, KJs, TT, 99 type hands) and the other is speculating on rare occasions with trash hands (A4s, 76s, 75s, J8s type junk) because you are being tempted into marginally unprofitable spots that you optimistically think are marginally profitable.

b. Three betting: This is a complicated leak that is not easy to plug, but it is easy to spot: filter for did 3 bet = true and then go to the holecards tab and deselect AA, KK, QQ and AK. If your win rate is close to break even or negative, this probably means that you are picking bad spots to 3 bet light, pushing your air too hard post flop, or both.

c. completing the small blind when facing previous limpers. I made a huge post about this a couple of pages back in this thread that if you didn't read it and you complete too much, you should probably read. To determine whether you complete too much, jus look at your SB vpip/pfr. If you are not raising about 75% of the hands you play from the small blind (playing 15/12, 19/15, 12/9, etc.) then you are completing too much.

The other big leak I saw for you is that your button win rate is too low. This indicates that you have one of three leaks:

a. losing $ post flop with your stealing range

b. losing too much calling 3 bets

c. cold calling

to determine which of these leaks you have, start with cold calling. Just go to the position report page and filter for did cold call = true. Look at your cut off and button win rates. They should both be in the 100bb/100 ballpark. If they are lower, thatn there is probably a category of hands that you are cold calling unprofitably. The usual culprit is small suited connectors and one gappers. Just go to the hole crads tab and deselect all cards and then add in discrete parts of your cold calling range--22-66, low suited connectors and one gappers together, broadway SC and S1G together, ragged suited aces, etc. Just look for red numbers on the cut off and the button. The quick fix to any unprofitable hands in your range is to fold them; long term, you're going to want to study how to play them and add them back into your calling range slowly.

To determine the extent to which calling 3 bets is a problem for you, you need to filter for called preflop = true from the position page. Again, we are looking at our button win rate. The important thing to realize here is that a red number here is not necessarily a leak. What you have to consider is that your choice here is fold to the 3 bet and lose 3bb (or whatever your average button raise is) or cold call and lose the amount you see on this filter. So if you see a win rate here of -200bb/100, you are losing less on these hands than you would if you folded to the preflop 3 bet. BUT: if your loss rate is close to your average button raise, basically you are adding variance to your game for a small net gain. we want to make that net gain worth the variance. so you will want to look at the way you are playing these hands, the range you are calling with and try to isolate the hand ranges that you are actually better off folding.

To determine whether post flop stealing is your problem is a two-step process. The first step is to filter main filters preflop action facing player is "unopened," and under more filters filter for pfr = true. Note your win rate. You're doing fine from the button if your win rate here is 100bb/100 hands. The next step is to go back to the more filters tab and add facing preflop 3 bet = false and saw flop = true. Note your win rate. If it has gone up, you're doing ok post flop. If it has gone down, this means that you are having a difficult time playing your steals, and you need to focus on your c-betting decisions. Basically you will do a hand review of your button steals and look at whether you should have bet the flop or not, doubled the turn, etc. Post hands on the forum that you are not sure about whether you made the right play. Read the COTW on c-betting.

gl

Would really like some insight on my where I'm at in 5NL. I know its a small sample but I'm curious to see if I'm on the right track or not. First few thousand hands were results of awful leaks which I quickly plugged, 1 of which was playing on a complete lack of sleep. I run 13/10

OK, three things:

1. Blind play. Read the post above yours. You have some or all of those blind leaks.

2. Bat signal to NL $5 and $10 Grinders. It looks to me like you are not stealing enough from the button. Your button vpip/pfr is about 18/12, which puts your stealing in the 20s, I would imagine. So I need to know from the $5 and $10 players whether you should be stealing a wider range, or whether this is an ok attempt to steal % at those stakes.

3. It looks like you ay be limp/calling pocket pairs in early position. I think this is ok at $5, but, again, would like some opinions from the other guys playing and beating $5 and $10.

What makes you think I am limp calling pp in ep? I do that occasionally in LP but if i'm coming in EP im always raising unopened pots. As far as stealing from the button, lately I've been getting a lot wild/loose players sitting 1-2 seats behind me, and unless I'm mistaken I don't think its very optimal to try and steal from them, but perhaps I should be stealing more from pf limpers as well? Also what does the disparity between my showdown/nonshowdown winnings mean? Btw thank you for taking the time to look at my stats and provide feedback, much appreciated .

misread your stats. that's two posts in a row where I have done that.

What would you say is an acceptable level for blind winnings/losses? Also I can't find those filters you mentioned in HEM.. are they for PT or am I just a noob at HEM?

Edit: I did my own filtering of sorts for my small blind winnings and found that in pots where i VPIP my net was -2.44$. So basically I'm losing 27$ just from folding. Thoughts? My BB net was much worse I might add, definitely need to plug some stuff up there.

Anything below 40% is leaving money at the table. When you get 3bet from the blinds once every 5763 orbits then just fold.

In NL2 stealing more can be a leak since you have calling stations on the blinds often enough with a fold to steal 20 and fold to cbet 20. Easy to valuetown yourself.

A rough estimate if your blind steal is immediately profitable, assuming that your standard raise is 3BB is villain's fold to steal. If it is more than 67% you are making money right off the bat.
If he has lower then just glance fold to cbet%, if he calls before the flop and folds over 50% after the flop even in the blinds then he is just giving us bigger free monies even if we shoot PSB cbets. \o/

I'm not sure if my graph helps at all but these are my stats for unopened, button , PFR. I might be a little on the high side of button stealing.