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03-16-2008 , 12:59 AM
These are my stats for this year, any feedback will be more than appreciated.




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03-16-2008 , 01:18 AM
looks good kinda surprised u have such a low winrate

edit:Just took a look at my own stats and I see u have a significantly higher vpip in early position then I do by 5x, I think u are limping a large range there when u should actually fold. Id like to see ur vpip down to about 11, Im guessing ur limping a lot of pocket pairs, maybe suited connectors, other random hands. And do u play unsuited connectors at all, I used to and it was a huge leak. Your also raising twice as many hands in early position as I am, this could be just a small sample size but ur prolly playing to many hands in ep, just tighten up.

Last edited by demon102; 03-16-2008 at 01:27 AM.
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03-16-2008 , 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by demon102
looks good kinda surprised u have such a low winrate

edit:Just took a look at my own stats and I see u have a significantly higher vpip in early position then I do by 5x, I think u are limping a large range there when u should actually fold. Id like to see ur vpip down to about 11, Im guessing ur limping a lot of pocket pairs, maybe suited connectors, other random hands. And do u play unsuited connectors at all, I used to and it was a huge leak. Your also raising twice as many hands in early position as I am, this could be just a small sample size but ur prolly playing to many hands in ep, just tighten up.
Am I not tight enough?

thanks for the input

I do limp small pairs in EP (22-88), not suited connectors

I only play unsuited connectors on the button when it's folded to me.
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03-16-2008 , 01:51 AM
Yeah dont limp unless there are like 2 players in that already limped or else a good player will just raise it up and make u fold preflop or on the flop. Raising people who limp pocket pairs with any 2 cards if like free money to aggro players. Either raise with ur pps or just fold them.
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03-16-2008 , 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by demon102
Yeah dont limp unless there are like 2 players in that already limped or else a good player will just raise it up and make u fold preflop or on the flop. Raising people who limp pocket pairs with any 2 cards if like free money to aggro players. Either raise with ur pps or just fold them.
what would you say is more profitable from EP? fold or raise pp?
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03-16-2008 , 05:01 AM
raise for sure
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03-16-2008 , 03:57 PM
bump
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03-16-2008 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by sapol
what would you say is more profitable from EP? fold or raise pp?
It usually depends on the players behind u, if they are all tight raise all day, if u got a player who sees50% of flops Id rather fold cuz they just dont fold and trying to take pots down without the goods can get spewy.
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03-16-2008 , 05:57 PM
i'm worried about other numbers like:

- steal attempts
- blind defense
- AF
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03-16-2008 , 06:33 PM
Sample size is a bit small to make major conclusions, but I think you could probably limp and cold-call a bit less. Having a PFR that is 2/3 of your VPIP is not bad, but ideally it should be higher. Maybe try stealing blinds from LP a bit more often. I'd say you are defending your BB too much. Don't worry about having your blind stolen unless a specific player is clearly doing it way too often. It's not worth it to play trash from out of position even if you think he is stealing. Not defending your blind enough is a small leak, while defending too much can be a huge one. The rest of the numbers look fine to me.
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03-16-2008 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnes Benjamin
raise for sure
no
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03-17-2008 , 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by demon102
It usually depends on the players behind u, if they are all tight raise all day, if u got a player who sees50% of flops Id rather fold cuz they just dont fold and trying to take pots down without the goods can get spewy.
I'm no expert, but if the other players are VPIP 50% and passive, couldn't those small PP's be limped for set value, thus be profitable even if many others limp along?
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03-17-2008 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bottomset
no
Bottomset - do you limp small pp's in EP?
-If so, what pp's do you raise UTG
-What position do you start to raise all pp's?
-Is raising 22 UTG a leak?
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03-17-2008 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Shoot59
Bottomset - do you limp small pp's in EP?
-If so, what pp's do you raise UTG
-What position do you start to raise all pp's?
-Is raising 22 UTG a leak?
I am not bottomset but I will answer your post anyways.

Short answer? It depends on the table as a whole and what types of players are to my left. If my raises are getting respect and people are often folding to my c-bets, I will open raise any PP from any position. If the table is loose and passive preflop (lots of limping), I'm probably just gonna try and see a flop from EP with 22 through 66, and most likely be raising 77+. At just about any table (except with loose weak players to my left who won't fold middle pair), I'm raising all PP from HJ or maybe even MP2.

IMO, raising 22 UTG is a leak if your post flop play sucks.
FWIW, I probably play stakes lower than you, but I feel I've got a very solid grasp on crushing the level I'm at.
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03-17-2008 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Shoot59
Is raising 22 UTG a leak?
Raising 22 in EP/MP is a leak.
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03-17-2008 , 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by speedle
Raising 22 in EP/MP is a leak.
Care to elaborate?
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03-17-2008 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by speedle
Raising 22 in EP/MP is a leak.
Not raising 22 in EP/MP is a leak too.
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03-17-2008 , 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by I vi ii V7
Care to elaborate?
No, I really don't
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03-17-2008 , 02:07 AM
He means the optimal way to play 22 EP/MP is to open shove and take the risk out of it.

Last edited by ship_it_trebek; 03-17-2008 at 02:07 AM. Reason: JK 4RLY
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03-17-2008 , 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
Not raising 22 in EP/MP is a leak too.
What's the intermediate option between raising and not raising?

Cause whatever it is seems like the correct answer here

Also, trebek reads my posts as easily as he reads my heart
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03-17-2008 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Shoot59
Bottomset - do you limp small pp's in EP?
-If so, what pp's do you raise UTG
-What position do you start to raise all pp's?
-Is raising 22 UTG a leak?
its table dependent, the best play varies based on the lineup

I mean if you are getting a lot of credit and the table is tight/passive go ahead and raise

if there is a 85/50 maniac behind you raising 22utg is pretty bad, limp or fold based on a few things
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03-17-2008 , 09:54 AM
He is running at 10/5 in EP... that's not too loose. Maybe a hair tighter, but I would be more concerned with the fact that you aren't playing enough hands in LP.
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03-17-2008 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by threads13
He is running at 10/5 in EP... that's not too loose. Maybe a hair tighter, but I would be more concerned with the fact that you aren't playing enough hands in LP.
I think I open raise a lot but don't call enough. I barely call from LP even with strong hands.

What's your opening and calling range in LP?
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03-17-2008 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by speedle
Raising 22 in EP/MP is a leak.
no

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Not raising 22 in EP/MP is a leak too.
no


it depends how good you are relative to your opponents postflop and their preflop 3betting, isoing, and overlimping tendencies.
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03-17-2008 , 07:58 PM
I found myself winning more by not raising my pocket pairs always from EP/MP. Now I limp and seem to do a bit better. Though I do mix it up sometimes and raise them. Limping them more often than not seems to fit my game better though.
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