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03-07-2017 , 09:08 AM
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PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 158.44 BB (VPIP: 30.38, PFR: 22.78, 3Bet Preflop: 7.94, Hands: 163)
Hero (SB): 120.64 BB
BB: 118.32 BB (VPIP: 22.16, PFR: 15.34, 3Bet Preflop: 4.92, Hands: 179)
UTG: 100.4 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
MP: 128.2 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 19.79, 3Bet Preflop: 12.20, Hands: 195)
CO: 82.28 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q K

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) Q 4 T
Hero bets 1.88 BB, BB calls 1.88 BB

Turn: (9.76 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero bets 8 BB, BB calls 8 BB

River: (25.76 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero bets 22 BB, BB raises to 105.44 BB and is all-in, fold,
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03-07-2017 , 09:27 AM
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Eithee c/c or bet bigger otf
AP-probably fold and call with FH and Qx that have blocker
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03-07-2017 , 10:03 AM
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Not sure whats up with that bet sizing. Ap river is probably a fold.
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03-07-2017 , 10:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DomnulPescar
Not sure whats up with that bet sizing. Ap river is probably a fold.
what do you mean?

Ive been experimenting with 1/3 pot sized cbets. Makes my bluffs a lot cheaper. And in this spot i can still get calls QxTx hx.

How would you have played it?
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03-07-2017 , 10:50 AM
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I'm not that comfortable with the 1/3 c-betting and I'm not sure it's a good texture to do it on if you consider he has a heart ~1/2 the time. Turn and river are good.
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03-07-2017 , 11:23 AM
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What range are we putting V on? Does he jam with flushes here? If he had the boat he would have 3bet pre with a pocket pair. It seems like a weird line and Im not sure i can find a fold here.

Agree that heros bet sizing makes it kinda transparent
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03-07-2017 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Leia Amidala
what do you mean?

Ive been experimenting with 1/3 pot sized cbets. Makes my bluffs a lot cheaper. And in this spot i can still get calls QxTx hx.

How would you have played it?
Flop and turn are standard normal 60-75% bets. We want to get value from worse queens otf and ott we probably figure v doesnt have a Q so at this point he has a fd, which is why we want to bet or flush but we cant know that so we bet still. River is a clear c/c or c/f depending on his sizing although some might say folding is ludicrous with 3Qs but if the size is big i dont think he will try to bluff busted draws with 2Qs otboard. Of course he also can have a queen which is why river is probably a c/c. So in other words this is really a very standard situation in which we go for two streets of value (otf and ott) and c/bluffcatch river.
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03-08-2017 , 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by DomnulPescar
Flop and turn are standard normal 60-75% bets. We want to get value from worse queens otf and ott we probably figure v doesnt have a Q so at this point he has a fd, which is why we want to bet or flush but we cant know that so we bet still. River is a clear c/c or c/f depending on his sizing although some might say folding is ludicrous with 3Qs but if the size is big i dont think he will try to bluff busted draws with 2Qs otboard. Of course he also can have a queen which is why river is probably a c/c. So in other words this is really a very standard situation in which we go for two streets of value (otf and ott) and c/bluffcatch river.
i get what your saying. But a 1/3 cbet has its merrits too. for example villain will call with Any heart, Tx, 4x, or any pair probably. And why doenst villain has a Q after turn. Do you raise all your mediocre Qx there?

And i dont fully agree with your c/c @ river. i think betting is better vs passive (cause they most likely hold a Q or busted draw which they dont bluff) and check vs a reg who can turn his busted draws into a bluff.
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