Check raising the river or deciding on whether to cold call, 3-bet or fold from the blinds (I guess this is still blind defense) - I mean reading that COTW, I want to take a whole different direction with this cotw to the original 1

Check raising the river - It's never a bluff.

/thread.

I think he was referring as to when to c/r river not responding to a c/r on the river, and depending on villain it CAN be a bluff.

Yeah I did mean that - Split, Mepethy, which one should I do????

river CR is unique and totally undone...i say that one imo

Raise or not raise in da blinds in limped pots w AQ 99 AJs etc would be awsome really, i cant play AQ profitable from mblinds becuase oop sucks!!!!!!!!!!!

I could do that one at some stage - it's a pretty easy cotw.

cool Lx i wanna see it in 30 mins plzzzz!

Maybe next week if people want me to do it

There's a AK COTW. I can't imagine AQ is all that different.

No no - he's talking about considerations to make when say you have 1-5 limpers and your in the SB and BB and you have a hand like 99, AQ or AJ - do you raise, check or complete? It's not a cotw about playing 1 pair type hands.

depends on # of limpers and stats of first limper. If there are many limpers who are all nits, then fine raise it up all day long with those hands. If it's a series of loose passives, then 99 sucks balls to raise with and is way better to complete; AQ is really good to raise because they will limp/call with dominated hands, but just be aware of how much strength you are representing when you raise, get called in 3 spots, flop top pair on Q75, and then bet into 3 players. In a vaccuum, anyone could raise you and you'll fold everything but a set or KK+. But then again, lol loose passives and micro stakes.

Also (of course) depends on the position of said limpers. Naturally, 2 players limping in LP will have a much weaker range than 2 players limping in EP (although I ˆhave seen someone overlimp and then CALL preflop in LP with KK, flop top set, and then get 0 value).

What you also have to realize is that your range to raise from the SB after a bunch of people limp is usually pretty face up. I have yet to see very many regulars who raise other than say 99+/ATs+ after 3 or 4 limpers.

From the BB, these hands are totally different since you can opt for a free flop. Hands like AQ/AJs are tricky only when the SB raises after a bunch of limpers. What do you do here? I think flatting is probably best with suited AJ+ due to the mw value they have, and folding or 3-betting the offsuit AJ+ is best for similar reasons. And 99/TT/JJ is a flat because you can easily overset someone and the implied odds go up from the probability you get overcalls.

Raise it, /COTW.

I don't think it's that simple though D4. You're oop with an akwards SPR with some of these hands.

So 3 players limp and we are in the bb with AT or 99 are we not raising for value?

i usually don't fwiw

Do you want me to do a cotw on it then????

you can if you wish. im really hoping someone else jumps in though. youve written a lot lately, and i think people are underestimating how much writing about a topic can help them learn.

I know, but it's kinda s**ty having a cotw for a month you know.

100% agreed. you are more than welcome to stab it so i dont have to =)

I don't understand why we are not raising with AT and 99 for value when fish are calling a lot worse.

Yeah I'll do that in say 2 weeks????

youve got it =)

yes

Hey guys...I really want to do a COTW/1000st post about relative position. Pretty much planning to talk about what it is, give a few examples of it in action, explain how to use it, and when to ignore it.

Cool?