PokerStars - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 38.89, PFR: 27.78, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
UTG+1: 138.4 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
Hero (MP): 99.4 BB
CO: 78.6 BB (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 28)
BTN: 103 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 6.17, PFR: 3.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 81)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.91, PFR: 23.26, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 43)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, CO raises to 7 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 17 BB, CO raises to 78.6 BB and is all-in, fold

CO wins 35.4 BB

Hi,i was wondering if I went wrong with 4 betting.And what should have I done instead.

Well it depends. What were you trying to accomplish by 4 betting? Is it for value or for bluff. Lets construct villains 3bet range using the stats.

Villian appears loose but over the sample he has only played about 10 hands and 3 bet only once. We can't tell much from there unless you seen showdown when he 3bet. So, assign the villain a standard range and go from there if you think villain will call with worse and 5bet with QQ+ AK then folding is correct. I'm not suggesting the range is correct but you will have to complete this exercise to determine what you should have done.

I'd probably call this rather than 4bet. Against a V who has now 3bet 4 in 29 hands I think you have to defend a certain amount of your open range. Not a massive sample but that with general vpip/pfr stats tell me nows the time to defend. My problem with 4betting light is I want to close the action and I'm definitely bluffing with AQ. I'd prefer to bluff fold other lighter opens if I thought I'd found a spot to try it (extremely rare at these stakes)

I think folding also fine.


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Couple of questions:

1. If you call are you c/f all non Axx/Qxx flops?
2. If it is an Axx/Qxx flop what line do you take for the rest of the hand vs this villain?

If the flop comes Axx/Qxx i would value bet until he starts showing aggresion,after that i would reconsider based on his actions.It was a mistake to 4 bet I did it because i am so sick of playing AQ,AK,AJ without knowing how serious the opponent is.I know i can't take this line just because i am afraid of post flop play with this hands.I started playing recently after a break but even then I was just a begginer(I still am),I had to stop for my studies but now I am trying to improve my game.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 9.68, PFR: 9.68, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 63)
Hero (SB): 115.4 BB
BB: 224.6 BB (VPIP: 31.82, PFR: 6.82, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 44)
UTG: 192 BB (VPIP: 37.84, PFR: 10.81, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 38)
UTG+1: 90.2 BB (VPIP: 12.77, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 47)
MP: 134 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)
MP+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 12)
CO: 111 BB (VPIP: 18.31, PFR: 9.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 72)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J J

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) 4 4 3
Hero checks, BB bets 8 BB, Hero calls 8 BB

Turn: (34 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, BB bets 18 BB, Hero calls 18 BB

River: (70 BB, 2 players) T
Hero checks, BB bets 36 BB, Hero calls 36 BB

BB shows Q Q (Two Pair, Queens and Fours)
(Pre 82%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
Hero mucks J J (Two Pair, Jacks and Fours)
(Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
BB wins 136.2 BB

What would have been better to do rather than check calling?I should't have check called all streets this was my mistake because i made an incorrect read on my opponent.

I know the river call was a donk call.At that point i am only beating bluffs.Pocket tens got there AA,KK,QQ beat me.That's why I said I made a mistake in reading him,I seriously thought he was trying to bluff in that spot.

Well the only way I'd call here is if I believed AQ to be significantly ahead of V's 3bet range (the stats on all but one opponent here are pretty laggy, I wonder if it's been s short handed table and a few loose players have just joined. If so my thinking would be different). I'm defending because I think Villain is overly aggressive so giving myself the opportunity to realise a starting hand like AQ's equity with V's aggression in mind.

To that end if I hit top pair Ideally c/c, c/c and c/r. If flops are wet or turn cards bring danger on dry boards I might have to show aggression early.

V is no maniac, and he might have hit a rush or being playing 3-4 handed for a while and adjusted somewhat. But if not and he triple barrels then it's going to be a bluff heavy range.

If we miss then I'd to c/c, c/r boards permitting.


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I think you'd do well looking into polarised ranges. A triple barrel is a polarising event. And although he is loose passive he still pfr's and 3bets a tight range pre. So you can narrow down considerably from there. Again it's a small sample but usually on these games if it looks like a duck you don't need to hear it quack to know it's a duck.

The line depends on his post flop tendencies. Is he generally passive or aggressive. Does he bet flops and then give up on bluff/semi bluff and mediocre hands?

If he's generally very passive (after a pre flop raise) then you could 2bet the flop when it'll cost you the least. I think the choice to fold should be on the turn. But given the price your getting I can see it being difficult.

If V's shows he'll 3bet KQs pre and triple barrel bluff your call is fine. You beat any AX and KQs he'll get there with. But a polarised ranged means it's made up of either value hands or bluff hands (his interpretation not yours) As players tend to want to get to showdown cheaply/don't think 3 streets is viable/don't want to bloat pots with those in between. The limits we're playing isn't bluff heavy generally.

You've been offered a really good price on all streets. Roughly 3/1 on the river, but your not ahead enough here by then. Given the assumption V doesn't bluff enough the ten takes away one hand he might have tripled given action and board.

If Vs shown a tendency to bluff any of his 3bets pfr or over values AK, 66+ and you get JJ blind on blind without overcards on the board by the river then I'd say it's a cooler.


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The reason I asked the question is that it's an area I'm unsure about. Vs an aggro villain I'd probably flat and try to call it down. To that end I'm interested in your river raise. Do you find this to be a spot where you can get called by worse?

You'd try and bluff the aggro monkey? I'll be honest this is something I wouldn't dream of trying as I seem to have an imprint in my head of losing money when I was starting out trying to bluff aggro players and having to fold when they shove and I've got nothing but A-high.

Has this been profitable for you?

Ah I'm not seeing him as an aggro monkey yet. But a laggy type that uses position, so given that I'd expect a good deal of folds from V to a turn 2bet.

Against uncontrolled aggression I'd never bluff. No need for fire against fire. I'd just revert to an absolute value orientated strategy.

My aim here is to pick a point where V's range is weak and show we won't be pushed around. Frustrate him. Which is why I'd choose here to put him to a decision. Mind it's close either way. I'm making some very general assumptions without the benefit of see previous play first hand or deeper hud stats. Any of which could completely change my mind. And another option would be to leave the table.


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