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NL10z - AK, Tough situation vs. Reg NL10z - AK, Tough situation vs. Reg

06-04-2017 , 12:55 PM
PokerStars - €0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 140.5 BB (VPIP: 21.02, PFR: 14.23, 3Bet Preflop: 5.49, Hands: 6,052)
SB: 35.6 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
BB: 232.2 BB (VPIP: 3.45, PFR: 3.45, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
UTG: 67.9 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
Hero (MP): 136 BB
CO: 78.1 BB (VPIP: 44.16, PFR: 26.65, 3Bet Preflop: 4.70, Hands: 410)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K

UTG calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, fold, BTN raises to 11.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 8 BB

Flop: (25.5 BB, 2 players) A 4 Q
Hero checks, BTN bets 14.5 BB, Hero calls 14.5 BB

Turn: (54.5 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BTN bets 22 BB, Hero ?

First of all, my image here is LAG, so he knows im opening wide and might be adjusting his 3bet range.

Okay, so flop thoughts? Would you go Check/Call like I did or would you Bet to test the waters and fold to a 3bet (maybe avoiding tough spots on the turn)?

Turn thoughts? Is this supposed to be an easy fold against a reg despite my image?

Thanks in adv
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06-04-2017 , 01:16 PM
Call.
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06-04-2017 , 01:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
Call.
You must be a genius.

You know he's shoving the river, if the hand ended there I'd call too.

Discussion pls
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06-04-2017 , 01:30 PM
Call turn.
We bet for value, bluff or protection, not to test the waters. Flop is fine. A flop raise would not be a 3bet fwiw.
Don't worry so much about image, especially online.
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06-04-2017 , 01:31 PM
Quote:
You know he's shoving the river, if the hand ended there I'd call too.
lol I don't think haiz or anyone else has a magic crystal ball like you seem to do.
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06-04-2017 , 01:36 PM
Start building a good pot since pre, you should have raised more against the limper...

Testing the waters? what you should do first is putting him on a range and acting based on that, leading OTF will kill all of his CB bluffs and also allow him to play better (making less mistakes), x/c is fine, however OTT I would not include too much bluff on his range, probably he's CBing again with worse but, how often he's 3Bing pre w AT / AJ?

Other aspect to consider is leading OTT, I dont expect him to bluff that often and worse hands are not raising but calling, this leading can affect again his capability to make mistakes but the pot is good right now to take it away and if we get raised I think we can comfortably fold... I want to hear other opinions but probably leading OTT is better than x/c or x/f...
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06-04-2017 , 01:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrno1324
Call turn.
We bet for value, bluff or protection, not to test the waters. Flop is fine. A flop raise would not be a 3bet fwiw.
Don't worry so much about image, especially online.
Thank you.

What would your line be if river card didn't change anything? Would you still C/C if he bet?
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06-04-2017 , 01:38 PM
Make it bigger pre imo , something like 4-5bb pre. x/c turn for sure.
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06-04-2017 , 01:42 PM
Pre and flop are fine. Would not fold the turn vs that sizing. I expect him to 3bet you a bit lighter than normal given your raise against the limper. I still see AT and AJ being in his range here and possibly KdJd as well.
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06-04-2017 , 01:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mchares
Start building a good pot since pre, you should have raised more against the limper...

Testing the waters? what you should do first is putting him on a range and acting based on that, leading OTF will kill all of his CB bluffs and also allow him to play better (making less mistakes), x/c is fine, however OTT I would not include too much bluff on his range, probably he's CBing again with worse but, how often he's 3Bing pre w AT / AJ?

Other aspect to consider is leading OTT, I dont expect him to bluff that often and worse hands are not raising but calling, this leading can affect again his capability to make mistakes but the pot is good right now to take it away and if we get raised I think we can comfortably fold... I want to hear other opinions but probably leading OTT is better than x/c or x/f...
I think if he 3betted a flop bet we'd be definitely looking at AQ or AK, AA or QQ. And in that line of thought we could potentially save some money no? AJ, AT wouldn't fold the flop bet anyway! And I agree with you, I don't think we'll see a 3bet pf with AJ/AT very often.

I think the action I suggested on the flop is similar in a way to your turn recommendation, but we do have more info on the turn thats for sure, plus we are probably getting diamonds to fold that won't on the flop
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06-04-2017 , 02:04 PM
^ 3Bing OTF is very strong, its hard to make him comes up to the top and shove with FD or worse A, doing that is really helping him to reduce his capability to make mistakes, or hes just folding the worse hands or hes not shoving a FD... Also, if he just calls OTF, he's not making further mistakes
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06-04-2017 , 05:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by i am a lil oak
You must be a genius.

You know he's shoving the river, if the hand ended there I'd call too.

Discussion pls
odds to call 22 %
chances that river is K 6 %
chances that V checks river and we win are probably bigger then 16%.If we assume we win just a pot when turn is K and no addition money then we need 0.16/0.94=17 % of checks when river is not a K to break even.I know it feels bad when you call turn and fold river and its going to be often,but even if V jams 80 % of the time(which fells like every time but its not) calling is better then folding.

BTW.I m a genius.
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06-04-2017 , 05:36 PM
My thoughts on villain's range: If villain 3bet preflop with AA, QQ, or AQ, his bit on the turn would be more both to charge draws and to play for big stacks. Villain shouldn't be 3betting preflop with any of his KXdd. Maybe a hand like AJ suited could bet the turn like this, but we beat that. I could also see villain taking this line with 76dd, or 87dd fairly often.
With all that, I would definitely call the turn here.
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06-04-2017 , 07:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
odds to call 22 %
chances that river is K 6 %
chances that V checks river and we win are probably bigger then 16%.If we assume we win just a pot when turn is K and no addition money then we need 0.16/0.94=17 % of checks when river is not a K to break even.I know it feels bad when you call turn and fold river and its going to be often,but even if V jams 80 % of the time(which fells like every time but its not) calling is better then folding.

BTW.I m a genius.
See how you're much more useful than what you tried pretend?
Thanks!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oregon Rick
My thoughts on villain's range: If villain 3bet preflop with AA, QQ, or AQ, his bit on the turn would be more both to charge draws and to play for big stacks. Villain shouldn't be 3betting preflop with any of his KXdd. Maybe a hand like AJ suited could bet the turn like this, but we beat that. I could also see villain taking this line with 76dd, or 87dd fairly often.
With all that, I would definitely call the turn here.
I find it hard to imagine this villain is 3betting such suited connectors, other than that I agree with you.

Here's how the hand rolled down:
Spoiler:
I called the turn
River was a 3 of diamonds, rolls check/check and villain shows AA.

Last edited by i am a lil oak; 06-04-2017 at 07:07 PM.
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06-04-2017 , 07:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
BTW.I m a genius.
I'm absolutely certain of your genius but uncertain of where it lies.
I'm uncertain of my knowledge but certain it lies in poker.

On a more serious note anyone considering a 4bet pre when we're oop? If its bad please hint as to why!
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06-04-2017 , 08:30 PM
You should probably be looking at what villains 3bet range is in specific positions.

Is he only 3 betting QQ+, AK from the button or is his range wider?
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