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07-18-2011 , 10:25 PM
I'm still not buying the magnet theory. The nails do come up from the board though.

I'm going with spring loaded nails that pop up when he brings the muzzle down onto a release mechanism hidden in the board.
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07-18-2011 , 10:26 PM
stereodan,

haha weird. firstly i did suspect it was done like that, but it seemed incredibly hard to do that way. anyway i too saw the fool us performance the other night, and about 30 mins ago i decided to google for the other version of the trick so i could compare the nails. and oddly enough, my google search brought me right back to 2+2 where you had already done it about 20 mins earlier. awesome work.

there's a fool us thread in OOTV if you want to come join us in there
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07-18-2011 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by fsoyars
I can't tell if the "nails are coming up out of the board" is a real theory or just blatant trolling .
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Originally Posted by HotzenplOdds
You nailed it.

and lol at magnets pulling out the nails, wtf people
lulz
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07-18-2011 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
Yeah, I wondered if there was a safety that didn't allow nails to fire unless the nozzle was pressed down by the board. But the whole "memorize the sequence" doesn't seem any tougher than playing music.
this is way to dangerous, so a slip of a finger would leave teller screwed?
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07-18-2011 , 11:17 PM
huh, op's link is from jkl

in the lateest episode of fool us, they finish with this exact trick, if you want to see that trick, here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=223lD19qSzk

if you watch this video^
you'll see that they use the exact same gun

Last edited by CheckRaise_; 07-18-2011 at 11:30 PM.
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07-18-2011 , 11:21 PM
btw, holy **** bing videos suck
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07-19-2011 , 01:00 AM
I'm now convinced that if there were nails in the gun, he would show us nails in the gun. Since he doesn't, there isn't.

How's that for a flipflop?
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07-19-2011 , 01:59 AM
^o shizzle son
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07-19-2011 , 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Fatt Albert
I'm still not buying the magnet theory. The nails do come up from the board though.

I'm going with spring loaded nails that pop up when he brings the muzzle down onto a release mechanism hidden in the board.
Doesn't that sound incredibly complicated and error-prone to you? Keep with Occam's razor, it'll do you good.
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07-19-2011 , 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by stereodan
Doesn't that sound incredibly complicated and error-prone to you?
Not if you think of it this way: imagine specially-made nails. Instead of a head at one end and a sharp point on the other, the craftsmen in our magic shop make a two-headed nail. Well, several nails, actually.

Now we drill bunch of holes in the board. In each hole, we insert a small spring, like the one you might find inside a pen. Next, we insert our special nail. We push the nail down upon the spring, until the nail head is just about flush with the surface of the board.

Of course, as soon as we let go of the nail, the spring will pop it right out our hole, so we need to carve in a little catch near the hole's opening. Now we push in the nail, and make sure a piece of the head gets tucked under the catch, to keep it in place. Our mousetrap is now armed.

All we have to do is nudge it free of the catch, and our nail will pop out. We'll need to figure out a second catch, so the nail doesn't fly out of the board, but our guys in the machine shop who manufacture these magic tricks should be able to figure that one out without much fuss.
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07-19-2011 , 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Yeti
lulz
why the lulz?
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07-19-2011 , 06:32 AM
i could have quoted a bunch more people, didn't really mean to single you and fsy out.

just loling at how adamant people were that the gun was firing nails because they had used a nailgun once, and how they insisted everyone who thought the nails were in the board was a ******.
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07-19-2011 , 07:32 AM
Penn says he can't remember..but Teller is smarter and figures everything out. So Teller has a button he holds that controls when the nailgun fires. Is why Penn knew shooting him in the neck was ok. Teller would never hold the button then.
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07-19-2011 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
Not if you think of it this way: imagine specially-made nails. Instead of a head at one end and a sharp point on the other, the craftsmen in our magic shop make a two-headed nail. Well, several nails, actually.

Now we drill bunch of holes in the board. In each hole, we insert a small spring, like the one you might find inside a pen. Next, we insert our special nail. We push the nail down upon the spring, until the nail head is just about flush with the surface of the board.

Of course, as soon as we let go of the nail, the spring will pop it right out our hole, so we need to carve in a little catch near the hole's opening. Now we push in the nail, and make sure a piece of the head gets tucked under the catch, to keep it in place. Our mousetrap is now armed.

All we have to do is nudge it free of the catch, and our nail will pop out. We'll need to figure out a second catch, so the nail doesn't fly out of the board, but our guys in the machine shop who manufacture these magic tricks should be able to figure that one out without much fuss.
I mean, I guess, but a simple magnet ensures not only that the nail comes out every time, but that the head of the nail stays with the tip of the gun.
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07-19-2011 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by realwtf
Penn says he can't remember..but Teller is smarter and figures everything out. So Teller has a button he holds that controls when the nailgun fires. Is why Penn knew shooting him in the neck was ok. Teller would never hold the button then.
Go back a page, we already figured it out.
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07-20-2011 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
Not if you think of it this way: imagine specially-made nails. Instead of a head at one end and a sharp point on the other, the craftsmen in our magic shop make a two-headed nail. Well, several nails, actually.

Now we drill bunch of holes in the board. In each hole, we insert a small spring, like the one you might find inside a pen. Next, we insert our special nail. We push the nail down upon the spring, until the nail head is just about flush with the surface of the board.

Of course, as soon as we let go of the nail, the spring will pop it right out our hole, so we need to carve in a little catch near the hole's opening. Now we push in the nail, and make sure a piece of the head gets tucked under the catch, to keep it in place. Our mousetrap is now armed.

All we have to do is nudge it free of the catch, and our nail will pop out. We'll need to figure out a second catch, so the nail doesn't fly out of the board, but our guys in the machine shop who manufacture these magic tricks should be able to figure that one out without much fuss.
You'd think the force of Penn's hitting the board over and over might dislodge a few other random nails tho.
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07-20-2011 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by stereodan
You are arguing against yourself. Magicians count on you not believing the lengths they will go to make a trick work. Which is likelier: that Penn practices for hours on end aiming an empty nail gun at precise points to make a trick safe, or Penn practices for hours on end memorizing a sequence/pushing the right amount on the end to prevent a nail from firing? It's the same amount of work, just one is completely safe.

When Penn pushes the gun to the neck of Teller, there should be no question in anyone's mind if there are any nails in that gun at all.

Regardless, some people refuse to believe until evidence is presented to them. Penn and Teller repeated the trick for a UK show called "Fool Us." Lining the clip up with Penn's earlier performance on late Night with Jimmy Fallon:


The nail patterns are the same (don't forget to take camera angle into account). I'm happy to post more screenshots showing the pattern of nails on the entire board continues to match exactly throughout both performances. Either Penn is inserting dozens of nails in the exact same pattern, or he is using a preset board and pulling prop nails out with a magnet.

If that still doesn't "grab" you (ha ha) maybe this will help...
The only thing this makes me wonder is... if the nails are spring loaded from under the board and possibly release with a pen-clicker style mechanism, what difference does it make that he "release" the nails in the exact same pattern? I would venture he has practiced the trick so much that the patterns are similar (because he practices it that way) but don't match exactly.
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07-20-2011 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Salva135
This thread is proof that Penn and Teller are ****ing geniuses... they are giving away the trick as you are watching them do it, actually telling you it's fake, and some are still confused because their presentation is so well done that you barely focus on Penn's admission. The ultimate meta-magicians. They don't even want to trick you, their whole act is proving that they could if they wanted to. The best part is that the first time i watched it cold, i was in total shock until I figured it out and laughed. Exactly the reaction they wanted.
Yeah I guess you're right.
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07-21-2011 , 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by lonely_but_rich
I dunno if it's really up for debate since it was explained in the first minute of the clip when he shows you the big sheet of metal under the board.
I think it's hilarious how quiet you got after being proven utterly and completely wrong.

This just further proves that Penn & Teller are brilliant performers and people believe what they want to believe and will refuse "the truth" at all costs if it contradicts their beliefs.

You were right about one thing, he does explain the trick. He explains that most memorization acts are in fact, tricks. They are just lies. Which they don't mind you knowing because they believe it's morally wrong to do dangerous stunts because it makes the audience complicit with unnecessary risk.

Then he puts the gun directly to Tellers jugular and says. "If you have any doubt about this being a lie *shoots the gun* I think that proves it".

If at that point you thought there was ANYTHING in that gun that could project outward, then the you couldn't have been more wrong.

I've seen their show live in Vegas and it amazes me how many people saw their bullet catching trick and left the theater thinking that they actually fired real bullets or blanks from their guns and believe it as vehemently as you believed there were nails in that gun.

That's dangerous, utterly stupid and no insurance company would EVER allow such an act to be performed in front of a live audience.

There are NO nails in that gun. Just a trick that relies on the fact that common sense isn't actually common at all...
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07-21-2011 , 05:20 AM
No, I didn't think there were any nails in the gun when he put it to Teller's neck.

My explanation was good and may still be correct.
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07-21-2011 , 01:46 PM
I stand by my original post that half a dozen people said I was ******ed for.

There is ZERO chance that when Penn puts the gun up to Teller's neck he is holding a loaded 'ready to fire' nail gun.

How they create the illusion of the nails with the board is their business.
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07-25-2011 , 08:57 AM
I saw this act my last time to Vegas. Penn said that the gun was making a strange blowing sound a few minutes in. He continued the act for a minute, then called a guy onto the stage who he said was his safety manager or something to that extent. He checked the nail gun and then they decided that they would not be able to finish the act. He apologized to the audience for not being able to complete it after explaining that it was a trick which requires a lot of memorization and focus, but due to the gun making a strange noise he was afraid it might launch a nail at the wrong time.
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07-25-2011 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
I saw this act my last time to Vegas. Penn said that the gun was making a strange blowing sound a few minutes in. He continued the act for a minute, then called a guy onto the stage who he said was his safety manager or something to that extent. He checked the nail gun and then they decided that they would not be able to finish the act. He apologized to the audience for not being able to complete it after explaining that it was a trick which requires a lot of memorization and focus, but due to the gun making a strange noise he was afraid it might launch a nail at the wrong time.
That is so when you see it done somewhere else, it is amazing! Or it probably was just broken and he was afraid it wouldn't make the "woosh" noise.
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07-25-2011 , 10:59 AM
I think it was more that he was afraid the safety mechanism could malfunction and launch a nail into his hand when it is only supposed to fire into a more solid surface.
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07-25-2011 , 12:04 PM
or it was an excuse to stop the trick because something else was messed up on his fake nail board
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