I've transferred a few times and its never really worked out that well, but then again I never really tried that hard.

check undermine journal where you are and where you're going, buy stuff that's cheap where you are and expensive where you're going. easy game

I hate you so much

Well I've Officially© quit WoW again. And I'm bored as hell with literally thousands of hours to kill each and every day. Tossing around the idea of learning a bit of coding, but the main two things I wanted to know coding for was for making wow addons and bot profiles/routines.

See you in 2 weeks

So uhh..it's ridiculously easy to get under Shrine, I don't know how this has gone almost a year without being fixed..

Is there anything fun to do down here?

Dude, you can still get under wintergrasp and pop up to access portals/vendors you shouldn't be able to otherwise when your side doesn't control WG. That whole expansion is done gone by and it was never fixed.

You'll be back

I prob won't be tho

Meh, I'm sure there are tons of others like it that have been around for longer. But in Shrine, it's blinking through the ground. There seems to be a lot of that around this xpac though, I've blinked under the ground right before the portal to the ToT entrance, a guildie blinked into Ra-den's room, etc. Have things always been like this and I'm just noticing it more since I have displacer beast now? Or are they missing something when designing the floors..? I don't know how these things work

I don't have the patience to figure out if there's anything interesting to do under Shrine / in the mountains around there, since it starts DC'ing me every 5 yards if it doesn't like where I'm going.

You have to have a level 2 guild to transfer now anyway.

We downed Dark Animus last night, it was our third night working on him. Getting over the hump of how to handle all the adds at the beginning was the toughest part for us. Most of our wipes were less than 2 minutes in. We ended up loading up 2 critically damaged Large adds, then putting the rest of the small ones in the Massive Golem. There was some space left over so we had the Massive also soak a couple critically damaged Anima Golems to try and slow down Siphon Anima. We had 3 attempts where we wiped at 20M, one wipe at 10M, then killed it on the next pull. As un-fun as it seemed at times, I actually liked the fight a lot. There was a lot to think about, and it stressed the raid in ways that it hadn't been tested before.

I think we'll keep clearing bosses for another 2 weeks, but at some point we need to extend the lockout and actually push to get Lei Shen down before 5.4 comes out.

Hey, at least after Dark Animus, the 3 bosses up to Lei Shen are a complete joke.

so now I'm 2/13 heroic yay me, also looks like the battle.net app is now public beta, anyone who actively plays blizzard games this thing is pretty cool

We're progressing on Iron Qon now. We raid this Sunday, then we're taking next Tuesday off since we'll have several people gone. We're going to have to get a couple pugs for next Wed. so we're considering not extending next week. That seems kinda dangerous because it looks like 5.4 is getting pretty close (as soon as Aug. 27th potentially). I'm going to try and push to extend this lockout and just throw everything we have at downing the last 3 bosses.

We combined with our sister guild and put together a 25 man for the first 3 bosses this week. We got some serious run-good on loot and our guild ended up grabbing 6 Thunderforged pieces. I even got to put up a rank on Horridon. lol Fire Mages

Can one of you pro healers take a look at these logs (all wipes on Qon last night) and tell me if we're like.... seriously lacking in heals? We've only had one attempt on Qon go past 5 minutes. We don't have hardly any wiggle room on the fire phase, and we're getting wrecked as soon as the tornadoes come out. To be fair, it's already been a wipe any time we got to tornadoes. And no, I have no idea why we can't get one of our Priests go to Disc. I'm more wondering if this is something that could be fixed if we just tell one that they have to be Disc and just deal with it, or if they're not Priesting correctly in the first place.

I don't know really anything about resto druids, and yes, it would be much easier for one of your priests to go disc, but your priests aren't even playing Holy right.

Things to fix:

- Drop Halo for Cascade. Outside of the last stack phase, cascade is going to be a lot better.

- Take Power Word: Shield off his/her bars as holy. It's not mana efficient for holy and will do nothing but cause you to OOM faster. The fact that both HOLY priests are using it is /facepalm cause not only are they being bad, but they're likely wasting time trying to shield someone that they can't.

- Have one stay mainly in Sanctuary Chakra and one in Serenity. I suggest you have Tsukan go Serenity (Because for some reason, he thinks sitting in the AoE Chakra and spamming Greater Heal is a good idea) and have Santhera stick mainly to Sanctuary. Looking at your priests, Tsukan is playing a with a Serenity play style in Sanctuary Chakra and Santhera is playing with a Sanctuary play style in Serenity chakra, it's pretty lol.

- Both need to be using Prayer of Mending, on cooldown.

- I'm not sure if it's changed but the lack of Renew use by both of them seems very odd, to me. It's supposed to be one of Holy's main spells and use of it between both of them have been non-existent. I know the 3rd healer is a Druid, but spreading the HoTs around more should help. The one in Serenity chakra should especially be abusing renew, since his single target spells will renew renew for free.

- Make sure that all your healers know that on Tornadoes, their first priority (since you are using no absorb healers) is to get the **** out of the tornado zone and pop CD's. If the healers are inside the big zone, their healing is reduced by 80%. Make sure they're getting out before popping things like Divine Hymn, or it will be a complete waste.

On another note, your Druid is doing more healing than both of your priests, combined. Yeah, your priests are bad and should feel bad.

Also, if you're getting wrecked on the fire part, you're likely doing it wrong. With only 1 Melee DPS, having 3 groups of 3 (and the 10 person being a roaming healer) should make that part extremely easy.

I still don't understand how aceium ended up in such a group full of bads. Did they lie a bunch on their recruitment post or something? Nothing I've read about his raid group has made me think he's anything other than way too good for them.

The two hunters aren't terrible, dunno about the tanks, but lol at the rest of the raid group, yah

iirc at one time, one of the hunters didn't even have a full stable of pets for that cd that summons all your pets, let alone all the other problems. May have been a different hunter tho

Druid looks like he's using regrowth way too much.

I literally only glanced at it for about half a second though, because even if the druid is doing it wrong he's definitely not the issue.

I know aceium said they were running 3 hunters at one point. Quite possibly the one missing from those logs was that one. Granted, those 2 hunters may not be setting the world on fire with their DPS, you could certainly do a lot worse for a Normal progression guild.

Pretty much what I got from those logs.

Thank you for all the feedback. We got another 10 pulls in last night, but only made it to the third Quillen once (Druid pron - don't click if you're a fan of Priests, seriously). We've talked Santhera into switching to Disc starting Wednesday so we'll see how that goes. With some well-timed shields I think we'll have at least half the group regularly survive the first round of tornadoes. That ought to extend our average pull past 5 minutes which is a victory of sorts, right? We've got 1 or 2 people that die to Tornadoes every single time. What do you even do about that? Without naming names, it's the same person that was snatching up all the battle rezzes on Horridon. We're also having problems with keeping people up when the stacking flame debuffs come out. Our other Holy Priest is having a hard time topping people off between stacks and it's leading to some deaths that really shouldn't be happening. Nofear pointed out that's he's basically spamming Greater Heal in the wrong Chakra which is probably what's going on there. One out of every 3 attempts we have someone dead 1 minute in to the fight and they're almost always in the group with that healer. We have the Druid stacked in the middle with the Tanks and Rogue, and split the 2 Holy Priests between the 2 ranged groups. My hope is that if we can limit ourselves to 1 Holy Priest, we can give him more of a specific role and desired healing style, rather than just assume that they're going to work it out between themeselves. Kind of a "too many cooks in the kitchen" type of thing.

Hopefully Santhera switching to Disc will give us some better progress on Qon and we can be working on Twins next weekend. Depending on when 5.4 drops, we might have a shot at Lei Shen (or at least getting some work on him). But the patch has been predicted as early as the 27th which is next Tuesday.

Remember this from about 6 weeks ago?
We're at 9/12 now so we can consider that "most of ToT." Ahead of the Curve: Lei Shen doesn't seem like it's within reach at this point with the patch sounding like it's around the corner. That's disappointing because the personal goal I set for myself/this raid group was to kill at least Heroic Jin'rokh before 5.4. So how did we get here?

Well, it took about 2 months for us to lose the Hunter that didn't even have enough pets to fill out a Stampede. The next week we finally killed Horridon, so we have to kind of look at our progress and say that we had more than a 2 month handicap on Throne of Thunder. Since then we've made decent progress, killing about 0.5 to 1 new bosses per lockout. The 2 months that we spent on Horridon allowed some of our raiders to inflate their gear a little bit to where we've now got 4 of the 600 ilvl cloaks in the raid (4 of our DPS). I think our DPS is probably our raid's strongest attribute right now, and I think it's somewhat been able to carry us as far as we've gotten. Unfortunately, our Druid Healer and his wife the Paladin Tank don't care about or do LFR, and they're still stuck on the Sigils stage of the Legendary questline. Our DK tank is on Secrets of the Empire and should have the cloak in a couple of weeks. His wife is the better of the 2 Holy Priests, and is still a couple months out on the cloak. That gives some insight to the motivation of our raiders and maybe why we are where we are.


Come 5.4 there's been some debate as to what's going to happen. A lot of our raid doesn't want to just go Flex. It's lower ilvl, not the prestige of normal mode, and to be honest there's more than a couple of us that know how much we're under-achieving right now. Settling for Flex-mode would be just that, settling and really taking ownership of what we couldn't accomplish. Our sister guild is in a similar situation. I don't think they've killed Animus though. I think that what a lot of us are secretly hoping is that we take the best parts from each 10 man and put together a raid that would be more than capable of clearing a couple Heroics, while the rest end up in a flex raid that's sort of an open-invitation fun run on the weekends.

I server/faction transferred back at the beginning of Mists to run with the guild I started playing the game with. They were a solid group back then and I figured there was a bright future of progression with them. That raid didn't last 3 weeks before like 8 of them quit the game. At the end of Wrath I had run with my current guild a bit, and I saw that they had a handful of Heroic kills in Dragon Soul so I figured I'd see if I could join up with them. I whispered the GM and was able to jump right in. I joined up in Jan. and they were working on Spirit Kings. We killed Will of the Emperor in due time and hit some speedbumps in Heart of Fear. We killed Empress 1 week post 5.2, and cleared TES shortly thereafter. Once we hit the Horridon wall is when I decided that I might need to find a new group. I was hoping that we'd build up a solid group in a ground-up fashion and that we could really push forward to get further into the content. It's happened slower than I'd like and now I'm looking at potentially going an entire expansion without killing an end-boss while it's current if things keep going like they are. I think my ceiling is much higher than that.

I brought in one of my IRL friends to the raid so we manage to have a decent time even when things aren't looking good progression-wise. I guess the real answer is I don't know why I haven't jumped ship yet. I don't want to go to another server seeing as I've already spent way too much money hopping all over the place. I kind of hold a grudge against Blizzard that I've spent hundreds of dollars moving toons around just to end up on a pretty dead server progression-wise. I think Hellscream was #52 on WoW-progress when I transferred, now they're down to #126. There are never any pugs in Trade, and only a couple of guilds that I could apply to that would be any kind of significant jump from where we are now.

Sorry for the long post.

TL;DR: I'm feeling pretty down about WoW in general right now. 5.4 is looming and I'm sitting at 9/12.

On the brighter side of WoW, I saved a few thousand gold on Glyphs for my Shaman. Someone undercut every single glyph, whether it was originally listed at 450g (which many were O_o) or 100g, to 40g. Just one stack. So I got an entire Shaman glyph set at a HUGE discount.

If you got a lock that you can bring, it will make Iron Qon 100X easier, because you can just have them set up a lock portal from where the tornadoes drop you off at and the edge, so the bads can just click the portal and you don't gotta worry about it.

I can't believe this is an actual thing, but apparently Blizzard is secretly tracking all of your screen shots.

And they do... by sort of blurry scribbles or something.



Those magnificent bastards. Spending all that time and money to develop the ability to... Uh... Something.

Haha, that tinyurl just takes you back to the Daily Blink. And lol @ Starcraft Ghost coupon code.