that would be sweet

I've also read here and there that there's some nonzero demand for them to implement a "classic" server but blolizard claims that it isn't possible which I find ludicrous

Seems they didn't do a good job of keeping old source code, so they don't know a lot of values. At least, that's what they say.

Very excited for being able to buy battle.net services with wow gold. About to hit my first liquid million.

"You think you want vanilla servers, but you don't" is the company line, and I think they're absolutely right.

It's mostly the PvP crowd that clamors for it, but it's a serious case of rose-tinted goggles. Vanilla PvP was a lot of fun because of the endless stream of terrible, terrible players you had to pick on. Not because the gameplay was better than it is now.

What also usually happens is the bottom of the barrel flocks to these free servers, armed with bots and hacks that were battle-tested on live servers and have no meaningful safeguards to worry about on free servers.

You wind up with a lot of casual tourists stopping by for a short while, until they remember what life in Vanilla was actually like. Grinds, no/slow mounts, farming, and constantly getting blown the **** up by rogues and mages with on-use items and special consumables in world PvP.

I get it to some extent. I remember my time at Sentinel Hill with some amount of fondness, but I also remember quitting Vanilla WoW pretty quickly to go back to free Ultima Online servers because frankly, Vanilla WoW was incredibly boring at max level.

I also understand the Blizzard commentary with regard to technical limitations and the "Blizzard polish" that they require for officially supported game servers. So much of what made Vanilla WoW what it was consisted of bugs and glitches. Kiting world bosses to cities, wall jumping, ability abuse, etc. What about all the quality of life changes that they'd have to eliminate? Global chat channels? Group finder? Revert addon support to vanilla levels?

Also, how many people played on Nostalrius because it was free?

I just don't buy it.

They killed our subforum

I agree with a lot of this. We've probably discussed this before, but most of the nostalgia for vanilla comes from the sense of community that existed there which does not exist today and really hasn't since TBL. And yeah, a lot about vanilla did suck, some of which you touched on.

What I do NOT buy is what LK referred to, this business about "oops we left the code in our jeans pocket and mom did a wash and now its gone forever." They're getting ready to re-release Diablo I (a much older game) aren't they? They could do this if they felt arsed.

And I do think that despite all the negatives of vanilla there would be some people who would do it, maybe not a lot, but not none and I think enough to make it worthwhile, but that's just MHO YMMV ETC ETC

They're releasing some diablo 1 mode in the d3 engine afaik.

And I believe them when they say they didn't keep a copy of every single patch's version of each file.

You make a fix, change some code, ten years later it could be incredibly hard to track down some of those original files. Doesn't seem outlandish to me.

and apparently their "d1 in d3" is basically d3 with a pixelating filter on top, very little (to be kind) d1 content

It's a 16 level dungeon, just like D1.

In other news, current wow blows and private servers are where it's at.

Viva La Nost !

first time for me

The first million is definitely the hardest.

Once you have the money to throw around, the only limiting factor is the time you're willing to spend on getting more of it.

I recently liquidated my entire inventory to someone from Reddit. Felt pretty bad to sell tens of millions in inventory for pennies on the dollar, but I hadn't been putting in the time needed to churn it through the system properly.

I was looking through some old WoW files and found this old text document named "2p2 Guild"

Didn't they offer some deal last Christmas where you could get allllll the xpacs for one not-too-unreasonable price? I could have sworn they did that, maybe it was two years ago. I might go for that if they did it again. Just so burned out on everything else atm esp hearthstone.

In opposite land, I recently stopped playing WoW and installed Hearthstone. It was one of the most rage-inducing gaming weeks of my life.

I'm too competitive to allow that level of RNG bull**** into my life. Maybe if I had a collection beyond vanilla cards, but I wasn't about to drop $300 on packs of cards to fill it out.

Now I've been trying to figure out how to turn 15 million gold on US Sargeras into hard cash, but that's not looking likely unless I want to give it away to a shady gold-selling operation for $3.50.

They may have had a Black Friday already, but I think it's only like $60 to get all xpacs now anyway. If you have an old account with gold you can activate it via a wowtoken, though the price has been massively spiked compared to pre legion drop.

$60 for all of them is very reasonable, especially when compared to the $40 each I paid for TBL, WOTLK and Cata (which is where i stopped)

looks like it's $70 for both of them atm, I swear it was 60 not that long ago. If you missed black friday, you may be SOL for a while

I thought that if you bought Legion, you basically get the full game.

not at this point, if it was ever true:

https://us.battle.net/shop/en/produc...arcraft-legion

Ah, so "World of Warcraft" now includes 1-100 and Legion gives you through 100-110.

They've always done that. You could always buy the base game for less but the current content was gated.

It may not be. Most of the current developer team was not around when wow started. They seem to quite literally not know how much of the old code works.

Well, yes and no. Used to be you'd have to buy wow and tbc and wrath and cata separately if you wanted to get up to date. It's been a while, but the change to just "WoW" meaning any non-new expac was a good move.

Vanilla->WoD (aka "Battle Chest") is $20 but regularly goes on sale for $5. Probably will go on sale again after Christmas. If you can't wait you could consider using a cdkey site like G2A to get it cheaper.

Keep in mind that the battle chest comes with 1 month sub, so really you're paying for your first month more so than the game itself.

really cool, nostalgic article about Elitist Jerks

https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/arti...luential-guild