I expect gcp to go down in the long run actually... It doesn't have a great sink. There is no rng involved when applying gcp to gems, and typically you only need to use a few to max out any gem that is already high quality. Of course, it won't drop in value too much (if it does, then people would just start using it on mid and then low quality gems because it would be affordable).

I'm only talking from a hardcore perspective where people die fairly often. It will be interesting to see how an economy works without an arbitrary currency.

D2 sort of had this but it's unfair to compare to because of how many items were duped and items while useful did nothing other than let you wear them. They weren't something you lost to rng.

if you haven't all ready, check out the Tera Online thread i bumped

the game is also free to play, and is likely to appeal to many of the posters here

http://www.poeex.info/
Found this site useful as a starting point for understanding the PoE economy.

My sense is that unless you're bleeding edge, it's best to save up your currency to trade for items that are good, rather than trying to craft your own items (with your currency).

I wouldn't bother crafting weapons as they are fairly easy to find in loot and in chat...

I have been alching and chancing lots of gold rings though to try and get sick rarity because they seem hard to find in trade.I want that andvarius ring real bad.

I am trying to figure out how to get a really sick rarity farming build that doesn't hit a wall. I can get atm about 180% rarity + 50% rarity on hit with my character but his resistances in cruel make him vulnerable. So I stick to about 120+50 so I have 45 68 and 56 resistance and 2100hp at level 43. Using max rarity I have like 13 45 and 36 with only 1500 hp. My playing style of silverbranch with poison arrow, fire trap and dual strike means I can kite alot but Im worried about getting to the tough mobs. Prismatic rings with a +20% rarity modifier and mroe resist/hp are super valuable to me and I would really pay alot for them. I have found quite alot of uniques with this build. And I give alot of stuff to my DPS characters lightning witch and ranger who will take over the rarirty once my farmer dies. He dies though and loses his uniques to default gonna be so painful.

In about 120 hours though I ahve not ofund a single chaos. It's weird.

Something annoying btw, is when you level a gem with mana reserve whilst using it you kind of don't notice because you have to re cast it for it to take effect. So I super over levelled my clarity earlier and have like 4 mana. MIght aswell try and sell the gem now.

I'm looking at this. 5 chroms for 4 alts seems terrible. Alts are practically worthless imo because they are super easy to get by vendoring.

Ouch that stinks about the clarity. Also another tip on that, I heard you should keep power siphon at level 5 because after that there's no real benefit but level 6 and beyond will boost the mana cost.

If you're dealing with a lot of support gems even a minimal amount of mana increase is a lot, especially if your mana pool is shrinking at the same time.

chromes are easier to get than alts imo... You can run through all the vendors and get about 5 chromes on average. Which will cost you a few transmutes and id scrolls (now those 2 are almost literally worthless).

Alts will always be worth about the same, because you can literally use vendor trading to convert them into fusings at 8:1 rate.

And people tend to really burn through alts making flasks and maps.

Oh **** you can buy chromatics. Never thought about that. I think though you can turn alts into alchs or something by buying things.

I was just thinking because say I did a pyramid/vaal farm I would get between 1-4 chroms on average from vendoring but if I used a few tp scrolls I could probably get like 15 alts using high rarity.

I get it now anyway, gonna start buying them chromatics. I kind of value wisdom scrolls though because I get so many items dropped which I identify to sell for alts/alch sharrds

surgeons flasks
+rarity (over ten I think?)
+quantity
+1 to gems all give alch shards.

alch shards is a slow slow way to get an alch. Since 8 alt orbs are worth 1 alch anyways, it doesn't seem practical to rely on vendoring for shards (you need a stack of 20!).

For many players, their main source of income is vendor recipes. Chaos orb recipe especially, which is 1 rare for every gear slot. You get 2 chaos orbs if all the rares are unidentified, 1 chaos otherwise.

I've done it a few times myself, but you really encounter a bottleneck on the rings and ammies, and even belts. So you still end up vendoring mostly everything.

I feel like I'm missing out on that. 4 stash pages isn't really enough to hold onto items IMO. I'm very picky about what I keep and 3 of my pages are full.

I just keep quality flasks to get baubles, and keep an out eye for RGB links and 6 socket items in the field (and shops). I need to write down the other recipes that don't require hording items.

You get a chaos for that? I thought it was an alch? How is 8 alts worth an alch? Is that what it costs to get one in vendor? If that is the case selling for alts and shards will still yield a decent amount of alchs. I am selling 12-16 alts per alch in trade, obviously getting ripped off then?

I have completed 3 alchs from shards. I have found like 4 so that is significant to me.

I think you get an alch if two items are of the same name. But yeah stash pages are the problem. Still I think I could maybe farm alchs by just repeatably doing the same area and storing the rares. I use one page for quality items to get whets/scraps and GBB's. Maybe I should switch to just a page of rare gloves or something from like prison/Brutuus runs.

Finding rare rings and ammies is difficult and makes getting the chaos(?) very sow process. Alch shards should be ALOT faster than finding rare rings/ammies no? Better still do both. I usually just sell everything for alts and shards and keep anything which I can sell in trade or use.

Just went to vendor and a chrom costs 3 jewllers, and 3 jewellers costs 6 alts.

Which suggest a 1:6 chrom to alt ratio

Which I think is alot more reaosnable than getting 5 chroms for 4 alts.

What am I missing?

RGB links give a chrom by themselves, that is how I get mine. You can occasionally get them from vendors for a single transmute orb.

1 extra stash tab costs 3$ (with 200 point pack) and you can buy pack of 6 for 15$

Stash tabs could easily be an addiction heh. Once you buy one set of 6 for $15 you're only a few days away from another 6.

If/When I decide to throw some $ at this game stash tabs will probably be the first thing I get though.

I'm playing solely hardcore, to avoid the problems that usually appear with softcore after the game is out for a while (extremely apparent in for instance D3).

It only took me about 6 witches to get one to act 2 (normal) but seem to be doing pretty well now. I have a tank/life regen marauder near the end of act 2, and a bow ranger and witch around the beginning of act 2. Planning to keep all 3 of them somewhat close together until near the end of mid or endgame. It makes it a lot easier to swap out gear, and it's more fun to have some variety in play.

Is there some kind of 2p2 channel we can set up tho ingame?

Yeah but you get a lot more alts than chroms usually. 5 chroms to 4 alts just seems really really bad trade.... No way alts are worth more than chroms. I will have to look out for these 1 chrom per transmute.

I seem to use more chroms that alts aswell. You can burn like 100 chroms easily to get a desired colour combination but when are you gonna burn a tonne of alts/augs? I use them to get bubbling and seething flasks.. I used up alot once to get a longer duration on a granite aswell. I always seem to be desp for chroms, stacks of chroms.

I tihnk all the other prices there are decent and trustworthy but if you sell 5 chroms for 4 alts that is just really dumb.

ya I don't really know about the alt:chrom ratio but rolling maps is eating my alts like crazy

It might have been 1x alteration not 1x transmute for the RGB 3 link (the cost of buying it from the NPC), I'm not sure.

I've never seen a chrom cost less than 3 alts in vendor but I didn't realise there was a randomness there...

I was just going through chamber of sins level 3 and found 'The magnate'. I have a meginords already which is better so was going to give it to my ranger. Decided to post it in the trade to see what offers I would get. Anyway 1h 30 mins later and a huge bidding war between two people I ended up with a divine, 6 GCP and 2 chaos. And I could have gotten more if I had tricked him and lied sying the other guy made higher offers. Sick?

At one point someone offered me his mirror and I snap called (its worth like 200 chaos I was told by someone) but then he changed his mind.

It has 25% + phys damage and 50% increased flask charge recovery.

I knew my rarity build would pay off. Starting to **** myself though, act 3 and arc enemies are coming up, piety, still gotta kill vaal but I find vaal quite easy to kill with fire trap+ poison arrow so not so bothered there

Magnate & meginord's are both worth upwards of 1 exalt. You got roughly 1.7 exalts for yours which sounds ok. I don't know the exact prices, I haven't been able to pick one up yet.

And you may be confusing mirror of kalandra with atziri's mirror. Kalandra is worth more than 200 chaos imo, and atziri doesn't even come close to that.

It usually costs 1 trans. It can also cost wisdom scrolls or 2 alts from what I have seen. Never, ever pay 2 alts for 1 chrome through the vendor, or through trade for that matter.

To explain for everyone who thinks chromes should be worth more than alts, here is the reason why they are not- 8 alts = 4 jewellers = 1 fusing, directly through the vendor. Because fusings are generally 1:1 with alchs, 8 alts is seen as being equivalent to 1 alch. This is rough value though, demand changes this number. Fusings are used in much higher quantity by end game players, so fusings are more likely to rise as more players reach that point. It can be argued that right now, fusings are worth less than alchs, but very marginally so. I know it isn't difficult to swap in one direction or the other at a 1:1 rate.

Selling loot for alt shards/orbs is OK imo, but if your goal is to gather up 20 alch shards for 1 alch orb you're really doing it the wrong way. As I said earlier, the chaos orb recipe is bottlenecked by your supply of rings for the most part (especially the unid'd recipe). So vendoring all the rares you've gained so far probably hasn't cost you a thing, as long as you've held onto the rings and ammies.

If your mf farming yields you an andvarius in HC and then you die, please sell it to me in SC

Hmmmm

Yeah so just save rings and ammies sounds good.

I might buy wondertrap ebcause it sells fairly often. Whats the best way of maintaining low health? High energy shield, one of them mana potions which lowers health, and a rejuvi totem to fine tune?

With really mad rarity I could probably just poison arrow with lots of rarity support low levels looking for rings/ammies to get chaos