yeah worst cards are that and rescue

I don't ever want to draft again. Everything will pale in comparison to this. 3-0'd an 8-4 winning on a mull to 4 and mull to 5

Why is arena athlete in the board

Pretty sure I'm going to end up hating this format... there's almost no quality non-rare removal. No Doom Blade, no Pacifism, no Claustrophobia, etc. all the removal is either really conditional and/or really expensive.

Seems to have the effect that your opponent sets up some dumb thing, and all you can really do is try and make a monster that's bigger or faster. I had a blast playing at first as I always do, but I think I'm going to end up bored/frustrated with this format faster than most.

I could be wrong, but much like AVR limited, I think cutting down the quality of removal this far really hurts games.

Inclined to agree. Less removal = less interaction. Blocking is probably worse than in any other limited format to date. I get their reasoning, huge monsters and heroes dominating the world, but imo game play should trumph flavor if needed.

Anyway, I thought you liked AVR limited? What about it did you like that Theros doesn't have, given the similarities in lack of removal?

Tongni convinced me. I'm still on the fence about it. I wanted to cut the akroan crusader too. They just don't seem great without your deck being all enablers.

Must have me mixed up with someone else - my first limited event ever was 4th Edition Sealed, and I've played limited in every format since then to some degree or another, and AVR limited is probably my least favorite limited format of all time.

I get what they're going for - they want people to play with Heroic triggers and I get that it sucks when you pay 8 mana for a Monstrous trigger then they cast doom blade on it, but imo they could have just treated Monstrous like they treated a lot of the ROE limited cards - have the ability there as a mana sink for when you had nothing else to do, not as something it's just a given you get to resolve whenever you want. It just sucks when they resolve any random rare and you have one out to it despite first picking every removal spell you could get your hands on.

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I really liked this UG deck... unfortunately a mull to 4 and bad draw knocks me out in the first round.



Went 2-0 then split the finals of an 8-4 with this guy. I don't think it's very good, but I was lucky! I ended up siding black out every match for sideboard cards.

The black cards are the best 2 cards in that deck, besides colossus

Yes, the black is very strong, but it was against 2 Wx aggro heroic decks. So, I sided in Glare of Heresy, Ray of Dissolution, and Shredding Winds. I wanted to make sure I didn't stumble because I could beat them late game for sure.

Out in R1 0-2 to a nut RW heroic deck hycahahahha

Yeah I did.

Agree with all of this, though it's not even about the rares only imo.

At the moment I'm curious to see what develops as the best archetypes in the format. I've played a ton of different color combinations, and I'd probably say u/w tempo with lots of heroic triggers and enablers is the only one that "feels" like a top tier deck.

Other decks that feel like they would be top tier in a set with regular removal (like RB aggro with a minotaur subtheme) just don't get there because you lack the cheap removal to keep pushing through fat blockers. you curve out well, then they just cast a fat blocker and you essentially scoop because your only choices for removal cost 6-7 mana.

For example you can draft RTR and just look at a deck and say "this is going 3-0 unless they get really unlucky" or "I'll be lucky to win a round with this pile."

The difference between decks/variance is so high (for now) in Theros that I can draft, say, a RG monsters deck with acceleration (or whatever, specific deck doesn't matter much), take it to what feels like a strong 3-0, then draft a nearly identical deck the next time and get curb stomped by a clearly superior deck.

I hope I'm wrong and the format gets to a solid, skill intensive place, because there are a lot of things about this format I really love - I love the flavor, I love that they put a (relatively) playable amount of one drop spells, I love that the white and blue emissaries give us "meaty" versions of cards like Stealer of Secrets (that ALWAYS makes me think "I wish this damn thing was a 3/3..."), and I love that it's Rise of the Eldrazi-esque in giving people mana sinks, among other stuff.

Brag: bought 20 Master of Waves for 6-7$.
Beat: have none on mtgo so can't really play with them

I noticed today that they skyrocketed. Nice find sir. I have 12 PolyKs.

Theros limited has so many "is this dumb or awesome?" moments. just lost a game despite hitting my opponent witih a 19/19, trample, intimidate guy four times, because he was swinging back with a Sealock Monster + Monstrosity + Nimbus Nyad + Whip of Erobos (+one Ordeal of Thassa token).

We were just lol'ing in the chat box - I have a 19/19 Trample Intimidate, he has a 11/11 Flying Lifelink, and neither one is good enough to close out the game on its own.

Yeah I have also played few silly games where both players have 3-4 bestows on one creature. Fortunately mine had lifelink.

I love this format. I'm up 100 tix since prerelease. I had my streak of 18 match wins in a row broken today in the finals.

Sick, any links to help learn the format or tips? I've only drafted it once so I barely know the cards.

Spent 17 mana turn 5, still had 2 surplus.

I haven't read anything good, besides the heroic article on channelfireball. It's decent. The video put out by LSV and the team is bad.

You want to either have a fast deck backed by tricks/removal, preferably auras, or a controlling deck with some way of gaining life. Gray Merchant is amazing. Lash of the whip is bad. The 2GG gain life = to your green devotion is also great. Ordeals are great. The 1W exile a creature with 2 power or less is first pickable. Phrakia's Cure is a sideboard card. Revenge of the sea god's is a bomb. Favored Hoplite and the 1WW flier are amazing. The 2G flash +2/+2 aura is amazing. Any of the tricks that target 2 creatures are first pickable, except the black one.

Even in your controlling builds, you want 1 6 drop. 2 is really pushing it. 2-3 5 drops. The format is extremely fast.

Bestow creatures are almost all great. The blue +2/+2 flier is very very good.

The cycling auras are all bad except for the red one. If you have to play them, your deck is probably bad.

The blue bounce spells are unbelievably good.

Played UW fliers today. Pretty shocked how good the blue target 2 was. Way better than gods willing which I thought would be really solid. It just lets you race with complete immunity which is what UW wants to do.

I 3-0'd with this. I'm not sure if it showcases how strong bounce is or if my opponent's had terrible decks. I don't think it's very good.